cannon dweebs?

[pluck]

though it is true that real men shoot flintlocks, it is also true that real men hunt polar bears in underwear carrying only a shank like object.  Though one could use a fruit cake that was given to you as a gift, it would result in the loss of your justification for calling yourself a man for a minimum of 1 month and an undetermined maximum sentence....set by comittee.  Just to be clear, the infraction is carrying a fruit cake while in your underwear, the action of finding something usefull to do with said fruitcake is fine.  For futher information on "being a man" issues, please feel free to contact me.  

On side note, yes if you use cannons, you are a dweeb.  Don't feel bad though, because anyone who plays AH is a dweeb.  So really you are losing nothing, and I guess I would view it is either acceptance to the community, or denial on the part of the offending party.  Which by the way, is not an infraction of the man laws, we pretty much (or should) deny anything.

[kilz]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Cannon Dweebs!

I always fly planes that do not have cannons, ever since AH II came out.

LMFAO KI61 KI84 dweeb

[kilz]

Originally posted by bongaroo
is there such a thing?  just curious, i was accused of being one.  i didn't realize that cannons are considered dweeby by some.

discuss:

dont worry about what others say. who cares if he calls me an arse whole. its only  a little name calling, now you can turn around and whine about it on 200, or you can sit there and say nothing and be the better man. because after all who looks like the idiot when you dont reply to that comment. the dude that is calling you names a little childish.

its your 15 bucks bro who cares what others think.

[bj229r]

Prolly referring to people who fly nada but cannon planes, spraying and praying to their heart's inaccurate content at everything that moves, hoping to get ONE hizooka round out of 282 to find a target, and thus get a lucky kill

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Cannon Dweebs!

I always fly planes that do not have cannons, ever since AH II came out.

You started flying the Tony after "someone" turned you on to it.   It's a question if you'd "fess up" to that.  

[Tac]

cannon dweeb = n1k, f4u-C, typhoon...

in short, planes with more than 2 cannons and who'se cannons have flat trajectories and a copious ammo load.

only exceptions to that rule is the mossie and the hurricane since their flight performance is really sub-par to the rest of the planeset.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Tac

only exceptions to that rule is the mossie and the hurricane since their flight performance is really sub-par to the rest of the planeset.

I beg to differ. After all Hurri IIC has the highest K/D of all non-perk planes in 2007: 1.56 in tour 84-94 combined. Can't be that sub-par...

[moot]

Airplane dweebs, all.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Lusche
I beg to differ. After all Hurri IIC has the highest K/D of all non-perk planes in 2007: 1.56 in tour 84-94 combined. Can't be that sub-par...

Though, I find your numbers pleasing as usual, Lusche,  the fact is, the hurricane is a turner, not a burner, and is out performed in most other ways by the rest of the planeset.  You can use statistics to seemingly prove anything.

Just because the hurri has good numbers does not change its' performance characteristics.  As we all know, it's the man that makes the difference.
I would rather say that people that fly the hurricane are normally of higher echelon.... something I think that is reflected in those numbers.  If the top pilots flew the p40 every night...

[Karnak]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
The 20mm and the .50Cal in real life had the same damage ability to take out an aircraft.

Complete and utter bull****.

Where do you get this tripe and why do you try to pass it off as factual?

You think the Japanese and Germans went for bigger and bigger guns to compensate for inadequate manhoods?  You think the US Navy was smoking weed when they said that one M2 20mm cannon was equivilent firepower to three M2 .50 caliber machine guns?

The .50 caliber was adequate for shooting down fighters.  If we'd been facing lots of bombers we'd have adopted 20mm cannons right quick.  20mm cannons were better at killing fighters and much better at killing bombers, but even 20mm cannons weren't enough for bombers.  That is why the Germans and Japanese were deploying 30mm and 40mm guns.

[bongaroo]

I was flying a ki-84 when I was called a cannon dweeb.  The person calling me this may have been in a spit14  

[Oleg]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
The 20mm and the .50Cal in real life had the same damage ability to take out an aircraft.

Nonsense.

[Guppy35]

To me the cannon dweebs are the guys who compensate for lack of something by hiding behind 3-4 cannons and come in blazing at light speed hoping for a hit with a connon shot and racing on by at light speed.

There are plenty of guys who fly cannon birds who mix it up.  I wouldn't consider them cannon dweebs

Best example I can give would be when I see a guy in an F4U1A, I figure that guy is looking for a fight.  When I see an F4U1C I know that guy 99 out of a hundred times is going to HO or try and pick while I'm in with someone else.

[Adonai]

.50 cal weapons were effective because american planes only faced aircraft that 50's were more then suitable to take down. Was stated that F4u-C pilots didnt really like the plane due to heavy ammo load took turn ability off plane and "50's were more then suitable to knock down japanese planes"

Same for German fighters, 50's did just fine.

However look what Germans had to deal with, american b17's B24's british Lancasters and worse Russian Il-2's.

Been stated many times the gun package on me109f-2 and me109f-4 was utterly useless against IL-2's and one of main reasons 30mm MK108 was developed so fast was combat the Bombers and better IL-2 hunters.

Believe it took on average 1-3 30mm to knock down a Bomber (not sure which kind) 10-20 20mm rounds

now i fail to believe this based on gun camera footage of FW-190a8's with 8x 20mm gun pods strafing a B-17 from behind and VERY little visable damage, whether that plane made it home I dont know, but you can clearly see in footage B17 was taking hit after hit.

[LilMak]

50s didn't have nearly the punching power of 20mms but to say that 20mm were more effective at shooting down fighters is not correct. What the 50s lacked in power, they made up for in rate of fire. I believe the snap shot ability of the American six gun package was greater than that of two 20mm (spit or zeke for example). In a 1 second burst, six fifties will throw out 75 rounds while two 20mm will throw out 20 rounds. This is amlost a four to one advantage in the number of shells flying at the enemy. So if a single 20mm is equal to that of three 50s and the 50s have greater than 3 to 1 advantage of causing damage, the end result is virtually no benifit to the 20s.

All you have to do is look at the fighters developed by each country to figure out where the mindset of each country was. The Germans had interceptors with high climb rates and big guns for killing bombers. The Russian's had big guns too but their fighers were used in more of an army  close support role which meant strafing German armor and explains their generally poor high altitude performance. The Brits were defending their country against fighters and bombers durring the BoB so they had mixed gun packages. The Americans built multipurpose fighers who's primary role was to fend off enemy fighters attacking bomber formations. It's one thing to lob a giant tater @ a big lumbering bomber but completly different to try to hit a nimble smaller target like a figher. I think this is why 50s remained the weapon of choice for the Americans.