Author Topic: Free Pizza Anyone??? (Read 1619 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #45 on:** December 31, 2007, 12:48:13 PM »

His pre-meditated actions helped lead to the death of his accomplice.

Viking · « **Reply #46 on:** December 31, 2007, 12:57:47 PM »

That's real weak. Charging a man with murder when he hasn't actually killed anyone is wrong.

Shuffler · « **Reply #47 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:04:41 PM »

He was an accomplice in the crime that his buddy died in. Pretty common here. If you run from a crime scene and a pursueing officer crashes and is killed you can be charged for causing that too.

Viking · « **Reply #48 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:19:54 PM »

That's unreasonable IMHO. Being held criminally responsible for somehting you did not do, intend or foresee is not justice. That's oppression.

Dago · « **Reply #49 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:00:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's unreasonable IMHO. Being held criminally responsible for somehting you did not do, intend or foresee is not justice. That's oppression.

Then we can live with the knowledge you won't move here quite happily.

Viking · « **Reply #50 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:27:38 PM »

Oh you can be sure THAT will never happen. Why would anyone?

AKIron · « **Reply #51 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:34:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's real weak. Charging a man with murder when he hasn't actually killed anyone is wrong.

Something we can agree on. I don't like these laws.

If they had killed the delivery guy instead, then yes, the accomplice should be held responsible, even if he didn't pull the trigger or expect it to be pulled.

SD67 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 31, 2007, 05:51:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's real weak. Charging a man with murder when he hasn't actually killed anyone is wrong.

If he'd taken the time to talk his mate out of robbing somebody at gunpoint then maybe he'd not be in the position he is in now.
If it was he holding the gun and his mate been the one that bought it he'd still be charged with second degree murder.
He participated in a malicious illegal act while armed (by proxy) and somebody died. Grounds for murder 2.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #53 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:13:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's unreasonable IMHO. Being held criminally responsible for somehting you did not do, intend or foresee is not justice. That's oppression.

But he DID do it. See, he and his buddy decided they'd pull an armed robbery, a violent felony. In the process of committing that felony, his buddy was killed. So the surviving felon VOLUNTARILY decided to participate in a violent felony that resulted in death. That's second degree murder.

In this country, when you commit a violent felony, you are responsible for the results, plain and simple, because had you NOT committed said felony, the results would not have occurred. Had the pizza delivery guy been killed, BOTH thugs would be responsible, because a person died during a felony they committed. It's a very reasonable law, because it makes ALL of those who commit a violent felony responsible for the results.

So, you don't want to do time for murder? DO NOT commit a violent felony. Then you don't have to worry about your buddy killing a victim, and getting you murder charge, and you don't have to worry about your buddy getting his stupid thug bellybutton killed and getting you charged with murder. Simple really, don't commit a crime, alone or with a buddy, and you don't have to worry about doing time for it.

SOB · « **Reply #54 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:43:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
That's unreasonable IMHO. Being held criminally responsible for somehting you did not do, intend or foresee is not justice. That's oppression.

That made me chuckle, as I imagined Al Sharpton saying it. But I digress...I'm dusting off my picket sign and will head down to St. Louis posthaste to protest the oppression of this upstanding gun-toting robber. Poor guy prolly just wanted a pizza and some beer money, and I bet the next payday at his full time job isn't until Jan 2nd! Sometimes our government can be really out of control.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:20:53 PM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
A year ago San Francisco police officers killed a young man inside a movie theater who was screaming that he was going to kill everyone in the theater. People all ran in terror from the theater, thinking he was a mad gunman about to kill folks.
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The city of San Francisco had to pay the guy's mother $500,000 to compensate her for the loss of her son. Her lawsuit claimed that the police were inadequately trained, and had used unnecessary force.

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SIG 220

Thats ridiculous he was batshiznet crazy, if anything his mother should have had to pay San Fran back for 20 some bullets. If people cant function in a civilized society with out being medicated to the nines they should be locked up where they are only a danger to themselves

Viking · « **Reply #56 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:38:43 PM »

So, what's next? Giving speeding tickets to passengers perhaps? Guilty by association is a form of "justice" we abandoned in medieval times. Well, if it works for you...

Dago · « **Reply #57 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:45:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
So, what's next? Giving speeding tickets to passengers perhaps? Guilty by association is a form of "justice" we abandoned in medieval times. Well, if it works for you...

If we are all about guilt by association, we would assume you were a Jew killing Nazi SS member like some of your countrymen were.

Viking · « **Reply #58 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:48:39 PM »

Yeah, well don't you? Seems you keep bring it it up in every other thread. WTG on proving my point there Dago

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #59 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:56:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
So, what's next? Giving speeding tickets to passengers perhaps? Guilty by association is a form of "justice" we abandoned in medieval times. Well, if it works for you...

There is a difference between being a passenger in a car exceeding the speed limit and being one of a pair of thugs robbing a victim at gunpoint. An OBVIOUS difference ANYONE can see. Actually two.

In case you need them illustrated.

The speeding car isn't a felony. And no one was killed.

But then, you knew that.

And YES, IT DOES work for us.

Just as a bonus. The two thugs conspired together to commit a crime. Had they not conspired and committed a crime, no one would have been shot.