My duel with Warlock

[RumbleB]

Originally posted by Adonai
I had a similar scenario earlier where a person said a tempest could not be beat, I was flying a spitfire 8 earlier at 10k and ran into 68Shade in a tempest and held his 6 for a good 15 minutes before he was sent running to ack trying to scape me.

if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...

Good luck trying to stay on my 6 for 15 min if I'm in a tempest and you're in any spitfire.
Truth is, someone who's actually good and is in a tempest should not die. Dying in a temp is shameful It's the fastest prop plane in the game + good SA = ez mode.

Sometimes you just want to cut through butter as an outlet though. Whether your SA is **** or not, you've got to be dumb as a brick to have a spit8 follow you for 15 minutes. You should've pulled far away from 1k within 5...

Also, the spit driver would have to be dumb as a brick... Big timewaste chasing a tempest like that when you're clearly never gonna catch him and he's not gonna turnfight you. Best thing you can do in a spit is extend away and hope to catch him when he dives and comes up in a climb, or... give him your six and pull a reversal for a quick gun solution.

Exactly what were you hoping to achieve?
Yes, it's down to the person who's in the plane.

And to OP, only 3 to 1 KD in a p51? Even if it mattered, that p51 KD would make you very very average...

[P47Gra]

Yawn.  Warlock owned you dude.  Whinning will not help that.  I have gone against Warlock before not knowing who he was.  I watched his tactics and learned alot from what he did.  E management and sound ACM.  Recommended readings would be any ACM book that you can get online.  You can get a specific Pony ACM manual directly from Amazon.  I believe it is a remake from the  Army Air Corps flight manual.  Read it follow it.  I read mine on the JUG and I still die, but I am learning the hard way.

JUGMAN

[Adonai]

Originally posted by RUMBLEBee
if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...

Good luck trying to stay on my 6 for 15 min if I'm in a tempest and you're in any spitfire.
Truth is, someone who's actually good and is in a tempest should not die. Dying in a temp is shameful It's the fastest prop plane in the game + good SA = ez mode.

Sometimes you just want to cut through butter as an outlet though. Whether your SA is **** or not, you've got to be dumb as a brick to have a spit8 follow you for 15 minutes. You should've pulled far away from 1k within 5...

Also, the spit driver would have to be dumb as a brick... Big timewaste chasing a tempest like that when you're clearly never gonna catch him and he's not gonna turnfight you. Best thing you can do in a spit is extend away and hope to catch him when he dives and comes up in a climb, or... give him your six and pull a reversal for a quick gun solution.

Exactly what were you hoping to achieve?
Yes, it's down to the person who's in the plane.

And to OP, only 3 to 1 KD in a p51? Even if it mattered, that p51 KD would make you very very average...

Actually if you check the stats, Spit8 does quite well and can stay with a Tempest above 18k and thats what happen, he figured on climbing out to get me to lose E and I maintained it the entire climb. Secondly: Tempests are NOT 262s and wont "run" From a spitfire so lets not get to far ahead of yourself.
His mistake and Your's would eventually be he was above the alt a tempest is good for, Spitfires get more dangerous higher alt, tempest doesn't do so well.

Check stats on the planes you think your simply going to "run" away doing only 15-20 mph faster is not exactly what he did, he realized he wasn't leaving me in speed and kept trying to extend out to turn around and ho me, I simply stayed on his 6 without bleeding E, and he was, which brought me closer to his 6 and again level running away means he wasn't going to leave me soon. Eventually dove for field ack and stayed there where he belongs

[kilz]

Originally posted by Max
This has got to be the silliest post of the year

LOL still got a long arse year to go and lots more newbs to bring in i would hold that one for now

[Adonai]

Originally posted by kilz
LOL still got a long arse year to go and lots more newbs to bring in i would hold that one for now

As yourself Sir? baaah

[kilz]

Originally posted by Adonai
As yourself Sir? baaah

everyone knows that i am a newb Adonai but whats your excuse:D

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Adonai
Little did he know I simply held my E through all his turns and never got over 1.0k from him, but he did make one generally stupid mistake: flew above 15k
 

Originally posted by Adonai
Actually if you check the stats, Spit8 does quite well and can stay with a Tempest above 18k and thats what happen, he figured on climbing out to get me to lose E and I maintained it the entire climb. Secondly: Tempests are NOT 262s and wont "run" From a spitfire so lets not get to far ahead of yourself.
His mistake and Your's would eventually be he was above the alt a tempest is good for, Spitfires get more dangerous higher alt, tempest doesn't do so well.

While Tempest's do suffer somwhat compared to many other planes when getting higher, your statements are not correct. They still can easily run from a Spitfire 8 if desired:





RUMBLEBee was quite correct when saying: if you stay on a tempests 6 for 15 minutes flying a spit8 that's just down to the person in the tempest being stupid. What was he doing, flying at half rpm?...:

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I was just disproving your theory that u said a pony would own a corsair all day with a 10k advantage.

Actually, almost any plane with a 10K advantage will, maybe not own, but at least control almost any other plane for, maybe not all day, but for quite a while.

[Major Biggles]

shrimp, i dunno what's going on, but i feel i have to tell you that what you do is certainly not energy fighting.

energy fighting isn't about having loads of energy and keeping it at all. that would be bore and zoom, and in the DA BnZ'ing is pretty darn lame, you're supposed to be duelling.



an energy fight is the most advanced form of 'turnfight' possible. you use your energy advantages or disadvantages to overcome your opponent by swapping E for position, angles etc. or instead by using an opponents E against him and forcing an overshoot.

[Tac]

" u did not know how to properly engage a low con plane and simple. U were booming and zooming me like u were attacking multiple low cons"


You just defeated any argument you might have had .... self owpnage is a horrible thing.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by Yknurd
I thought Warlock was in boot camp?

That's some wimpy boot camp if they let you play computer games.

Home 2 weeks for block leave but going back today;)

[SlapShot]

Most who Boom 'N Zoom don't know how to BnZ, correctly which then turns it into a Bore 'N Zoom.

If one is going to BnZ, it must be done aggressively.

Make a Boom, and if you miss or they pull a very aggressive evasion to spoil the guns solution, only Zoom back up to the point of minimum safety.

Most continue the Zoom way too long allowing their target to regain speed/E to continue to evade with ease.

Zoom to a point where at the minimum, you are safe from their guns and have enough alt to make another Boom that will put some E back into your pocket for another safe Zoom.

At minimum safety alt, reverse and Boom again before they have a chance to recover ... repeat until they have no energy left to make a good evasive move and then end it with a well placed burst.

A P-51 with alt on a F4U should be able to dominate the F4U if the P-51 is aggressive and without ever having to get into a true knife fight with Hog to win.

If I am lower than my opponent and they make a Boom, and they I see an abbreviated Zoom to safety alt, I know I am in trouble and it's gonna get dicey.

I can sympathize with Warlock when I am being attacked by someone who does not really know how to  BnZ. It's painfully boring cause they will never really get a solution on me because they allow me to recover with the over extended Zoom. In some cases, where they don't get impatient and won't really engage ... I simply RTB ... without the fear of dieing.

Any films of this engagement ?

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Most who Boom 'N Zoom don't know how to BnZ, correctly which then turns it into a Bore 'N Zoom.

If one is going to BnZ, it must be done aggressively.

Make a Boom, and if you miss or they pull a very aggressive evasion to spoil the guns solution, only Zoom back up to the point of minimum safety.

Most continue the Zoom way too long allowing their target to regain speed/E to continue to evade with ease.

Zoom to a point where at the minimum, you are safe from their guns and have enough alt to make another Boom that will put some E back into your pocket for another safe Zoom.

At minimum safety alt, reverse and Boom again before they have a change to recover ... repeat until they have no energy left to make a good evasive move and then end it with a well placed burst.

A P-51 with alt on a F4U should be able to dominate the F4U if the P-51 is aggressive and without ever having to get into a true knife fight with Hog to win.

If I am lower than my opponent and they make a Boom, and they I see an abbreviated Zoom to safety alt, I know I am in trouble and it's gonna get dicey.

I can sympathize with Warlock when I am being attacked by someone who does not really know how to  BnZ. It's painfully boring cause they will never really get a solution on me because they allow me to recover with the over extended Zoom. In some cases, where they don't get impatient and won't really engage ... I simply RTB ... without the fear of dieing.

Any films of this engagement ?

u just described the entire fight slapshot, yes I have film of the first engagment but i do not have anywhere to post it if someone would send me a email i would gladly email it or i will try to get it posted in a hour so

I do not have film of the second fight where i let him pull on my six 600 out befor i defended myself. it was known going into the fight i was going to let him get behind me, i even turned as so to let him, but he still made 2 passes on me befor he engaged. I dont didnt record that fight.

[SlapShot]

I just set up an account at http://www.mediafire.com last week ... It's free and very easy to setup and load files ... lots of space too.

[crockett]

Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Home 2 weeks for block leave but going back today;)

Have a good one and enjoy those push ups..