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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2008, 11:04:24 PM »
Well...

The guy is still running Fighter Ops

Not much has changed - same vapor ware - same style. I came across this gem in their forums. Hell it even reads like Voss.

It reads:    http://www.fighterops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8016

Regarding leaked info...
As many of you might already know, very specific and extremely confidential Area 51 terrain pictures with the latest developer’s diaries were leaked by an Area 51 forum individual... as a result they began appearing and circulating in various forums abroad, including the new DCS (Black Shark) website.

As a consequence to this, a few thoughtless forum members on the DCS (Black Shark) website believe they are doing everyone a huge favor by inappropriately accusing XSI of redistributing screenshots that are not from the Fighter Ops development, essentially playing a very immature senseless and tasteless game, based on their own futile assumptions. To the greater extent, they are generally making extreme fools of themselves.

This may be the result of feeling threatened or just plain resentment to our development, many accusations have been made against us with a demand for an explanation. First of all, we of course do not owe explanations to anyone; however we have made the decision to make a post to clear up any confusion and save certain people from looking more foolish.

We are certainly not in direct competition with DCS (Black Shark) or anyone else, in fact we support their development very much, but nevertheless we do see the rivalry forming between members.

To be frank, we were expecting some retort to these leaks, but not with this level of intensity… our position naturally is that we are more than flattered by the comparison some have expressed to our massive spherical Fighter Ops terrain engine in its progressive development to “Terragen”. Terragen and the Fighter Ops terrain engine are obviously completely different programs, designed for completely different purposes. All of our images have been produced in run time, where as Terragen renders single images only.

This is the situation which has occurred in this instance; the water rendering algorithms in particular were based off a number of ideas concepts and research thesis papers from 2004 and coded ourselves, into our engine, by Fighter Ops coders. This is the by-product of our research.

On the other hand as developers we are very conscious of the technology that is being developed at this level for various software products, how can we not be. Fighter Ops has been devouring this technology for some time, and it needs to draw on tomorrow’s software technology that is based fundamentally on ideas and examples that are profoundly researched and brought to existence in various forms.

Many of these forms consist of research papers, thesis papers, and dissertations etc that have been released for public domain. We are using many of these ideas to shape this technology for us… some of this is shown through examples. The same holds true for every cutting edge software entertainment developer… many development companies devote entire departments to this type of research, and that is precisely how games such as Crysis etc, are fashioned.

In fact you could do the same for many of the technologies in Crysis as with any other game; they have their roots in research papers and techniques in the public domain from which you could easily find similar demonstrations and programs. We do the same intense research through various departments, and because of that we are able to show off a development cycle of progressions through various mediums such as screenshots etc, and then substituted by new mediums that null the older previous versions. There is a very important reason for keeping this technology in-house and in Area 51, and that is for the reason that we can manage and control them with various technical and appropriate responses from experienced and qualified team members. They are not for inexperienced non developers to exploit.

There is no denying our existence in this market place and beyond, perhaps some see us as a future potential threat… we are not trying to protect ourselves, we are simply very confident in our abilities.

Fighter Ops Staff.
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2008, 11:54:42 PM »
Voss as in our NZ Voss?

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2008, 12:14:29 AM »
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I keep hearing stories about someone named Voss. Who is he, and why do is he a joke? I searched his name and from what I read I couldn't find anything except he complained a lot. I did see someone playing COD4:MW under the name Voss and asked if he ever heard of a game called Aces High, but he didn't respond.




Ask him if his clan's name is Red Scorpions with the motto, "Our sting is so brutal, it will give you a heart attack!"


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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2008, 12:18:52 AM »
Its sad, I knew a guy that had the same personality disorder as Voss.  This guy was actually pretty bright, and very friendly.  But he was subject to absurd grandiosity, and he would tell giant lies.  Then he would begin to take advantage of people.

I've researched it, and people like Voss and my former friend suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder.  

Diagnostic criteria

-has a grandiose sense of self-importance

-is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

-believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by other special people

-requires excessive admiration

-strong sense of entitlement

-takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy

-is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
arrogant behavior

Most pathological liars have this personality disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2008, 12:22:26 AM »
Well, in his defense, he doesn't claim to know everything about the F-14 Tomcat unlike....    ;)

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2008, 12:34:04 AM »
Shaddup shrimp, you said you'd never tell!

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2008, 08:34:40 AM »
You are all violating national security with all this dissin of..............."The Big Guy".

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2008, 10:58:22 AM »
'Megatron' was in the DA furball area last night

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2008, 02:35:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Well...

The guy is still running Fighter Ops

Not much has changed - same vapor ware - same style. I came across this gem in their forums. Hell it even reads like Voss.

It reads:    http://www.fighterops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8016

Regarding leaked info...
As many of you might already know, very specific and extremely confidential Area 51 terrain pictures with the latest developer’s diaries were leaked by an Area 51 forum individual... as a result they began appearing and circulating in various forums abroad, including the new DCS (Black Shark) website.

As a consequence to this, a few thoughtless forum members on the DCS (Black Shark) website believe they are doing everyone a huge favor by inappropriately accusing XSI of redistributing screenshots that are not from the Fighter Ops development, essentially playing a very immature senseless and tasteless game, based on their own futile assumptions. To the greater extent, they are generally making extreme fools of themselves.

This may be the result of feeling threatened or just plain resentment to our development, many accusations have been made against us with a demand for an explanation. First of all, we of course do not owe explanations to anyone; however we have made the decision to make a post to clear up any confusion and save certain people from looking more foolish.

We are certainly not in direct competition with DCS (Black Shark) or anyone else, in fact we support their development very much, but nevertheless we do see the rivalry forming between members.

To be frank, we were expecting some retort to these leaks, but not with this level of intensity… our position naturally is that we are more than flattered by the comparison some have expressed to our massive spherical Fighter Ops terrain engine in its progressive development to “Terragen”. Terragen and the Fighter Ops terrain engine are obviously completely different programs, designed for completely different purposes. All of our images have been produced in run time, where as Terragen renders single images only.

This is the situation which has occurred in this instance; the water rendering algorithms in particular were based off a number of ideas concepts and research thesis papers from 2004 and coded ourselves, into our engine, by Fighter Ops coders. This is the by-product of our research.

On the other hand as developers we are very conscious of the technology that is being developed at this level for various software products, how can we not be. Fighter Ops has been devouring this technology for some time, and it needs to draw on tomorrow’s software technology that is based fundamentally on ideas and examples that are profoundly researched and brought to existence in various forms.

Many of these forms consist of research papers, thesis papers, and dissertations etc that have been released for public domain. We are using many of these ideas to shape this technology for us… some of this is shown through examples. The same holds true for every cutting edge software entertainment developer… many development companies devote entire departments to this type of research, and that is precisely how games such as Crysis etc, are fashioned.

In fact you could do the same for many of the technologies in Crysis as with any other game; they have their roots in research papers and techniques in the public domain from which you could easily find similar demonstrations and programs. We do the same intense research through various departments, and because of that we are able to show off a development cycle of progressions through various mediums such as screenshots etc, and then substituted by new mediums that null the older previous versions. There is a very important reason for keeping this technology in-house and in Area 51, and that is for the reason that we can manage and control them with various technical and appropriate responses from experienced and qualified team members. They are not for inexperienced non developers to exploit.

There is no denying our existence in this market place and beyond, perhaps some see us as a future potential threat… we are not trying to protect ourselves, we are simply very confident in our abilities.

Fighter Ops Staff.


Do you think it is any coincidence that the Cessna 182 listed in the 2006 Dec sections of the screen shots is the same one listed on Avsim's website. It is a re-paint for Carenado's Cessna 182Q. I Googled the tail number, this file popped up. http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=94697&CatID=fs2004acrp&Cookie=1

 It looks like they added some (really) crappy smoke effect to the side of the aircraft, coming from the intake...

 The skins are not exactly the same, the skin has been modified...the whole thing looks photo shopped. I love how they compare themselves with a reputable company like DCS. That whole website stinks. You can buy a membership for 25$ and get insider info about this upcoming gem of flight simulation..

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2008, 03:22:59 PM »
I'd say they look close to identical with the exception that the landing lights were removed, and those grease smudges were added. The rest is the same.


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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2008, 03:38:10 PM »
not only that but, the file and their "screen shot" were both released in Dec 2006. My guess would be someone cruised the files section, saw this aircraft and made a "screen shot" I bet you if you looked close that King Air 200 is AeroWorx B200 also. http://www.aeroworx.com/
 That T-38 is most likely FSD's freeware T-38 they released for FS 2004. There are hundreds of re-paints of that bird. Same for that C-17, another FSD bird.
http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/T38/
Wouldn't surprise me to find out that any or all of those birds were work done by someone else and then stolen to sell a website "membership".

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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2008, 03:47:31 PM »
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'Megatron' was in the DA furball area last night


Isn't Megatron the same guy that used to be GPreddy, which were both shade accounts from some guy in the 367th?  Can't recall his name now, but I think it started with an R or something like that.  You know, the guy that had a string of bad luck.


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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2008, 03:47:41 PM »
Well...all I can say is - here we go again...


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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2008, 03:55:57 PM »
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Originally posted by BBBB


 It looks like they added some (really) crappy smoke effect to the side of the aircraft, coming from the intake...

 The skins are not exactly the same, the skin has been modified...the whole thing looks photo shopped. I love how they compare themselves with a reputable company like DCS. That whole website stinks. You can buy a membership for 25$ and get insider info about this upcoming gem of flight simulation..


Does anyone have any information on their company?  There is nothing on their website about them nor who is on their staff.  Google search doesn't turn up any information on these guys if you search by their company name.


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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2008, 04:10:21 PM »
Yes, that 25$ seems very suspect, for what seems like nothing more than some 3d-models on top of Google Earth surfaces.
No indication of any real substance after some 3(?) years of development.

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