P-47n

[MjTalon]

Originally posted by bozon
Only on WEP.
Without it it climbs same or worse than the D11 (and our D11 is without a paddle blade prop) , is slower and turns much worse.
Compared with the D40, it climbs the same on WEP and worse without (by about 400 fpm).

Against popular belief, from what I've tested, it does not zoom better than the D40.

All this is with similar fuel load. Add to that that the N has reduced lethality due to the guns being even farther out than in the D's (because of the new wing tanks extending the wings I guess).

The things that the N does better are higher speed on WEP (not to underestimate the importance of this), somewhat improved roll rate (but that was never a problem in the Jugs) and holds its E better in high speed turns (both good and bad, depending).

It is a much misunderstood bird. If you want a high altitude air superiority plane - this is your choice. For furballing, the D's give more bang for the buck. For JABO, D40 will carry the same ordnance, climb faster and get there faster - The N has a greater chance of coming (running) out alive.

Nice read sir, but have you flown a D11 with 25-50-75% internal fuel with the 6 gun light option? You wouldn't think the turn rate that jug could do was possible.

D 11 is a monster when in the hands of a experienced stick, that goes for all of the other jugs as well. Do not under estimate a P47...ever.

[Stoney74]

Originally posted by MjTalon
Nice read sir, but have you flown a D11 with 25-50-75% internal fuel with the 6 gun light option?

The 6 gun option with the heavy ammo load weighs more than the 8 gun option with the light ammo load.  The only time its an advantage is when you take both the 6 guns and the light ammo. (Unless that's what you meant by "6 gun light").

Personally, I like the D11, but I never use 6 guns.  Firepower in this game is more important than maneuverability, IMO...

[bozon]

Originally posted by MjTalon
Nice read sir, but have you flown a D11 with 25-50-75% internal fuel with the 6 gun light option? You wouldn't think the turn rate that jug could do was possible.

D 11 is a monster when in the hands of a experienced stick, that goes for all of the other jugs as well. Do not under estimate a P47...ever.

Jugs have been my main ride in the past 5 years (mixed with a little F6F and mossies). I am far from being top dog, but I know my bird. As Stoney said, the weight gained from leaving 2 guns at home is marginal compared with the weight of ammo and much more important, of fuel. The extra 33% firepower will do much more for you than the tiny performance improvement. If you knife fight the jug and get a shot opportunity - you better make it count. A second one will be much harder to get, 6 or 8 guns will not change that.

I don't even bother with the low ammo load. Why leave bullets at home in order to loose weight when you can get the same effect by shooting them into the enemy? I make a point of being VERY trigger happy till I get the counters down to 1000 - then aim. Perhaps this is why I am constantly at 5% or lower shooting, but I don't care about the ranking. You want to save weight? learn to manage your fuel. This is MUCH more effective.

With all due respect to the Jugs, they are far from being any kind of monster in typical low alt MA. I love them, but they are decent at best for this job. What makes them seem so much better in the hands of a good stick is the total lack of respect people give them. If you expect to mindlessly pull on the stick in a spit and blast the P47 you are in for a surprise. If on the other hand both pilots know what they are doing and respect each other's ride, they jug is in for a tough fight.

[Stoney74]

Originally posted by bozon
I don't even bother with the low ammo load...You want to save weight? learn to manage your fuel. This is MUCH more effective.

1200 rounds of .50 cal is equal to 300 lbs. which is equal to 50 gallons of fuel.  Not to mention that (to me anyway) it feels much more nimble in the roll axis without the weight in the wings.  I almost always run out of fuel before ammo, even with the light 8-gun package.  So, I never have the need to carry all those rounds.  This probably falls into the personal preference category, I suppose.

[bozon]

50 gallons of fuel is about 5:45 minutes at full throttle (and almost half the fuel load of a 109...). It is quite a lot.
Still, I can fire it away in a few seconds, so it is almost like a drop tank - only for ammo.

As you said, personal preference.