Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul

[bongaroo]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Because we support Isreal.
thats the primary reason
I used ot have a link for an interview with former terrorists explaining it all but it no longler works

it was mostly rhetorical but hey here's another reason to support ron paul

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Tango
First of all I didn't link this I simply looked at the picture [that someone else posted] and can tell.

As for "Is photography one of your major hobbies?" , no its not my hobby. I have a bachelors degree from Louisiana Tech in photography and make my living photographing people.

OK, then you should have no problem in offering us some proof that you are indeed a professional photographer.

For all of your very expert knowledge, you were not able to actually respond to any of the points that I raised about the photo in my second post about it.  So I find all of your statements very lacking in credibility.

The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns.  Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists?  Does a sharper and clearer image exist?

You need to say something more than simply you are a professional photographer to convince me.  Anyone could make such a statement anonymously in an online forum like this.

SIG 220

[lazs2]

wotan.. my point is that ron paul posing with white power guys is no worse than democrats posing with black racists as they do every day..  

It also does not mean that either party is a good fit for the fringe groups.. just that the fringe groups take the lesser of two (in their minds) evils.

lazs

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Wotan
That photo is not 'faked' - its the real deal. My reply:

- was just sarcasm in response to the other two idiots.

What evidence do you have that it is real?   Do you believe everything that is posted on blogs on the Internet??

Before calling someone a racist, one should have clear and definite facts.   Perhaps he is indeed a racist.  But if your proof is this photo from a blog that has photoshopped files on it and also has a clear agenda against him, well I have to say that I am unconvinced.  Much better sources than this need to exist to make a case for racism.

I've never considered him to be any sort of significant candidate, so I've honestly not paid any attention at all to him, as he is clearly unelectable.   I think the overwhelming number of Americans feel this way about him.

SIG 220

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by SIG220


The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns.   Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists?  Does a sharper and clearer image exist?

SIG 220

Maybe you should check YOUR facts before posting.  LGF was merely a HOST for the photo.

Here's the orriginal post at LGF on the story.  http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only

You might note there's actually two photos.  The second one is what looks like RP signing an autograph for Black's son.

While LGF is extremley biased against RP don't let the green grass fool you.  These photos were taken from the stormfront forums.
 
NOTE:  I would not visit this site if you are at work as it is a rascist site.  
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-revolution-live-blimpvision-388512p326.html  (After google redirect)

The photos themselves were taken by Jamie Kelso of stormfront http://kelso.stormfront.org/Kelsoimages/

So unbunch your stupid photoshoped bias alert panties allready.  

Now on a personal note I do not a pass judgement on RP as just about anyone can get a photo taken with a candidate and the candidate not know them personally.

[Wotan]

Before calling someone a racist, one should have clear and definite facts.

Why don't you try reading the replies I made in this thread before making accusations. The same reply I gave to the other 'strawman' applies to you:

...quote where I wrote, or asserted, that 'Ron Paul is a racist'.

lazs,

wotan.. my point is that ron paul posing with white power guys is no worse than democrats posing with black racists as they do every day..

It's given that the left are hypocrites and liars. However, this is not worth mentioning in a thread about 'Ron Paul'. Because the left are hypocrites and liars isn't an excuse for Ron Paul, nor is it a reason to pretend 'Ron Paul' is any better.

What makes Ron Paul worse is most folks don't know much about Ron Paul. Ron Paul has a record of saying one thing and either doing the opposite or nothing at all. On the one hand he will say, 'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them.

Don Black and Stormfront aren't the only ones - I can post links to other racist forums and organizations that are actively supporting Ron Paul. Thus my original post:

Racists love Ron Paul:

It doesn't matter to me if Ron Paul is, or isn't, a 'racist'. However, Ron Paul is a charlatan. I will leave it up to you to decide whether or not he is better or worse then the other 'charlatans' running.

[GtoRA2]

Wotan
 You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.


Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.

[Tango]

Originally posted by SIG220
OK, then you should have no problem in offering us some proof that you are indeed a professional photographer.

For all of your very expert knowledge, you were not able to actually respond to any of the points that I raised about the photo in my second post about it.  So I find all of your statements very lacking in credibility.

The fact that the source is from an anonymous blogger that attacks him should by itself raise concerns.  Can you offer a more credible source for this other photo that you say exists?  Does a sharper and clearer image exist?

You need to say something more than simply you are a professional photographer to convince me.  Anyone could make such a statement anonymously in an online forum like this.

SIG 220

What proof do you want? A copy of my diploma?

The fact I'm a photographer shoudln't be an issue since all it takes is a little common sense when looking at it.

If you notice they all 3 have the shadows on thier faces. The boy is wearing a hat which shades more of it. So lets compare RP and the father.

Look real close at the Fathers white shirt and you will see a shadow. A shadow that shows it is from the same light source that is giving off the shadow that RP has. Its not as noticable on the Father since he is wearing a dark jacket that hides most of the shadow.

Now look at thier noses. See the hot spots they both have. Further proof that the light source is from above and slightly to the rear. The boy doesn't have it since he is wearing the hat.

Its a very poor picture that could have been much better if the person had used the flash on the camera, if there was one. Many people with pocket dgital cameras make the mistake of not using the flash at times and end up getting dark grainy pictures.

As for the OTHER picture, heres a link to the other picture of the son getting an autograph from RP.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353_Ron_Pauls_Photo-Op_with_Stormfront&only

IF he knew who the guy was and is taking his money, I'd say he has alot of explaining to do.

[Xargos]

Let me get this straight.  It's OK if a black person belongs to a church that preaches black supremacy but a white person can't have his picture taken with a white supremacist?  It's attitudes like that which cause neo-nazi groups to get more support.  You're either 100% American or you're nothing.

[moot]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wotan
 You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.


Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.

Nothing hard about noticing that sort of stuff.. e.g. If you are a LW nut and chase any trail of historical info even if it's burried in nazi sources, you'll run into that sort of stuf.   E.G.2:  If I read the forums and notice Krusty behaving along certain patterns, it doesn't make me a stalker.. It's just noticing the obvious.
When I lived in Paris I could tell you all about skinheads.. I knew them like the back of my hand, because they happened to be part of the landscape.  Doesn't make me a skinhead for as much.


Wotan:
"On the one hand he will say, 'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them."
Like I said, IIRC RP will take their money and spend it on better things.  They're the only ones being fooled.

'I don't support or embrace these guys' and with the other hand pockets their donations and smiles in pictures with them."
The smiling part is a bit much, but maybe it's just his christian good-guy discipline showing through.  Do you have proof the money he takes from them is separately channeled to racist purposes unlike the rest of his funds?

"What makes Ron Paul worse is most folks don't know much about Ron Paul. Ron Paul has a record of saying one thing and either doing the opposite or nothing at all. "
Evidence?  IIRC he's the only guy in Wash. to have done the exact opposite, sticking to certain principles (Constitutional principles, in fact) through thick and thin.  The only guy that renounces the drift away from the old small-govt. (etc) republican policies.

[lazs2]

wotan.. now it is you who are not reading what is posted.   I never said that anything was an excuse for posing.

I don't think anyone needs an excuse to be seen with anyone.   If ron paul promised some nazis to kill all the negros then you might have a story.

If he promised to end affirmative action and welfare and people from all walks of life supported him for that.. including some nazi a holes...

That is to me..  a non story.. a so what story...

you have to be pretty dense to not see that some of pauls views would not be better for nazis... and everyone else.. than that of most of the other candidates.

That does not mean that all nazi ideas or even most or even a significant amount are correct.. it just means that the blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.

lazs

[Wotan]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wotan
 You seem to spend alot of time on this issue, I seem to recall you saying something years ago about how white power retards like the numbers 88 or something.


Is monitering racist white retards a hobbie or do you have some other connection to them like you have to keep track do to a job or something? I am not implying nor do I think you are one BTW.

I am not so sure I 'spend of lot of time on the issue' - the last time I made any post on 'racists' was years ago.

Since the primaries are underway I looked at all the candidates and like most Ron Paul sparked some interests. However, the deeper I looked the more it became apparent that Ron Paul was just a charlatan. I see a thread entitled 'Angry White Man: The bigoted past of Ron Paul' and make my reply:

Racists love Ron Paul:

Relevant to the topic and as shown its 100% accurate.

Like I said, IIRC RP will take their money and spend it on better things. They're the only ones being fooled.

The problem is there 'are no other things it gets spent on'. Ron Paul's whole campaign is little more then an extended fund raiser. He is not going to win - did you see in that debate last night? Despite what ever message he has he comes across like a clown.

The smiling part is a bit much, but maybe it's just his christian good-guy discipline showing through. Do you have proof the money he takes from them is separately channeled to racist purposes unlike the rest of his funds?

So you are saying that maybe Ron Paul is just naive? That would be incredible - 'I only took pictures with these racists because I am a good 'Christian'. The fact Ron Paul knows who these guys are - he maybe exploiting them for their donations and keeping them happy by posing in photographs with them but how do you know he isn't doing that across the board?

Evidence? IIRC he's the only guy in Wash. to have done the exact opposite, sticking to certain principles (Constitutional principles, in fact) through thick and thin. The only guy that renounces the drift away from the old small-govt. (etc) republican policies.

Have you looked at his record? Have read what he said in the past and in the process campaigning? What has he done during his time in Washington? His double talk on earmarks is the most obvious. Take a look and see what you can find.

As president he will be a permanent 'lame duck'. He will get nothing done with out the cooperation of congress and after 4 years those 'grass roots' folks will be disillusioned and Ron Paul would get bounced out of office. However, we all know Ron Paul won't win - even Ron Paul knows it.

[Wotan]

Originally posted by lazs2
wotan.. now it is you who are not reading what is posted.   I never said that anything was an excuse for posing.

I don't think anyone needs an excuse to be seen with anyone.   If ron paul promised some nazis to kill all the negros then you might have a story.

If he promised to end affirmative action and welfare and people from all walks of life supported him for that.. including some nazi a holes...

That is to me..  a non story.. a so what story...

you have to be pretty dense to not see that some of pauls views would not be better for nazis... and everyone else.. than that of most of the other candidates.

That does not mean that all nazi ideas or even most or even a significant amount are correct.. it just means that the blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.

lazs

If I say Ron Paul is charlatan, in a thread about Ron Paul, and your reply has been 'so are those guys on the left' - then what is that? All I said is let's deal with Ron Paul, in a Ron Paul thread, with out the rationalizations about how 'those other guys do it too'.

My points have little to do with whether or not Ron Paul is a 'Nazi' but the fact  that on one hand Ron Paul will disassociate with them in sound bites on the news but he still cashes their checks and is photographed with them.

Instead of addressing that your consistent response has been 'look at those other guys'. As I said I don't care about those other guys and in no way is Ron Paul's behavior mitigated, or excused, by what the others do.

If you not offering up a moral equivalent, or an excuse, then why do keep beating that drum?

[Xargos]

I still don't see how it's any worse then voting for Sharpton or Obama.  Some people just don't like Ron Paul because he wants to take their free ride away.

P.S.  Oprah funds a school for blacks only and Obama has his picture taken with her all the time.

[Rolex]

Nonsense, Wotan.

You have not made any points (plural). Your only point has been to paint him as a racist and nazi by insinuation and innuendo, not by any facts.

The snarky, "it doesn't matter whether or not he's a racist/extremist," and "it doesn't matter if he is or isn't a nazi," linguistics are desperate and despicable.

Do you think Dr. Paul searched them out and asked to have his photo taken with them? People ask to have their photos taken every day and at every function. He doesn't ask for a check or quiz them on their politics. They want photos taken for their own reasons, and use them for their own reasons, as is obvious in this case.

If you don't agree with his positions, that's fine. The only "points" you've made though, have been: suckers, charlatan, racist, nazis.