Stats, Stats, Stats! A year of AH2.

[Citabria]

nice stats lusche.

I believe your origional combination of kills + deaths best indicates the chance of interacting with any plane in AH.

its simple really. very few people land in AH. those that do tend to have a few scalps. those that dont.. well they don't land because they got shot down and someone else is landing their scalps or got shot down after shooting them down.

a lot of lead is always flying around in AH and it tends to tag just about everybody.

its just as accurate a measure as flight hours per plane I think. thats the true stat missing from AH and one I have always been curious to see...

combined flight hours by all players for each airplane.

then you would really see what plane is used most on an hourly basis.

[hubsonfire]

That and kills or deaths per hour per type would be interesting additions. Man, what a bunch of dorks we are.

[RATTFINK]

LUSCHE, you rock <<>>


w00t seafire... w00t

[dtango]

Just thinking out loud in text here ..

Yeah, the kills*k/d approach can get a little interesting.  I guess adding kills+deaths together bothers me inherently as proxy for usage.  Noodling on this way back when the more I looked at this the more I didn't like the various ways of trying to tally up usage from the stats we have access to.

I think it boils down to what one defines as "usage".  Is it # of sorties?  Is it # of encounters/events? Etc.  I've approached this in the past from a sorties perspective and have come away unsatisfied with the approaches I've tried.  

If it's # of events then I can see where a kill and a death are equally weighted.  But here are some caveats with counting kills + deaths as encounters as a proxy for evaluating usage rate.  

total_events_per_model = kill_events + death_events + events_with_no_kills_or_death s

So we have data for the 1st two terms.    But the last term is troublesome.   For instance what about events where one or both parties escape?  Worse yet, what about events where it's more than a 1v1?  How do we count these events because if its more than a 1v1 then even if a kill / death is registered what about the planes in the furball that neither get the kill or becomes a death.  They have all registered that the other planes were in the engagement therefore "in usage" yet this isn't recorded as an event in a stat anywhere.

Now of course I just want to make sure folks understand that I'm not criticizing your stats at all Lusche.  I'm just intrigued by some of the riddles it leads to.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Lusche]

Originally posted by dtango
Just thinking out loud in text here ..

Yeah, the kills*k/d approach can get a little interesting.  I guess adding kills+deaths together bothers me inherently as proxy for usage.  Noodling on this way back when the more I looked at this the more I didn't like the various ways of trying to tally up usage from the stats we have access to.

I think it boils down to what one defines as "usage".  Is it # of sorties?  Is it # of encounters/events? Etc.  I've approached this in the past from a sorties perspective and have come away unsatisfied with the approaches I've tried.  

If it's # of events then I can see where a kill and a death are equally weighted.  But here are some caveats with counting kills + deaths as encounters as a proxy for evaluating usage rate.  

total_events_per_model = kill_events + death_events + events_with_no_kills_or_death s

So we have data for the 1st two terms.    But the last term is troublesome.   For instance what about events where one or both parties escape?  Worse yet, what about events where it's more than a 1v1?  How do we count these events because if its more than a 1v1 then even if a kill / death is registered what about the planes in the furball that neither get the kill or becomes a death.  They have all registered that the other planes were in the engagement therefore "in usage" yet this isn't recorded as an event in a stat anywhere.

Now of course I just want to make sure folks understand that I'm not criticizing your stats at all Lusche.  I'm just intrigued by some of the riddles it leads to.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

I see were you come from, but sadly throwing K/d in the mix doesn't help at all. Because it puts a kind of quality into it where we (or I ) am looking purely for quantity. So as # of sorties is not known, we can only count events. That's just the restriction of the data HTC is providing us. Examination of K/D is a totally different kind of shoe in my opinion. Scaling "events" with K/D in any way completely distorts the picture we get about the prevalence of certain plane types. The chances to get killed by a Tempest or Me 262 are really minimal each sortie, the K/D scaled chart seems to indicate otherwise. Best is to evaluate both usage and K/D charts seperately.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
That and kills or deaths per hour per type would be interesting additions. Man, what a bunch of dorks we are.

Compiling that stuff is certainly one of the most dweebish things one can do. I truly qualify as a nerd now. But that has a long tradition with me...
This stuff was part of the first multiplayer combat flight "sims" I played before being able to go online:

[The Fugitive]

With the data available, I don't think you'll be able to come up with a chart that shows plane usage in the MAs.

K/D is certainly no way to track it. There are 3 basic groups flying in the MAs,
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• The Elite- This group flies with more skill, there for lands more scalps and dies much less. On the other hand, they are a small percentage of the population.
• The Average Player- This group is the middle of the road, they are moderately skilled, and land kills often. They also have big runs where they are complete newbis and spend more time dieing than they do lifting their gear, but thats ok with then, RTBin is a convenience.
• The newbs- This group is still working on the basics, learning the ropes. For them landing is a luxury, even without kills
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All three groups will fly an F4. One group will get lots of kills and few deaths, another most likely more kills than deaths, and the third far more deaths than kills. While the "Average" group is the biggest, there is no way the "elite" group and "newb" group will offset each other. The are a lot more newbs than there are elite players.

I think the "kills only" chart shows the usage closer. I'm sure there are a number of dedicated pony squads out there, and I think that is why the pony tops the charts, but the rest of the top 10 look like you would think they should.  In the "kills only" chart the elite group comes closer to covering the lack of kills by the newbs, so I think it shows the usage more accurately.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
With the data available, I don't think you'll be able to come up with a chart that shows plane usage in the MAs.

K/D is certainly no way to track it. There are 3 basic groups flying in the MAs,
[list=1]

• The Elite- This group flies with more skill, there for lands more scalps and dies much less. On the other hand, they are a small percentage of the population.
• The Average Player- This group is the middle of the road, they are moderately skilled, and land kills often. They also have big runs where they are complete newbis and spend more time dieing than they do lifting their gear, but thats ok with then, RTBin is a convenience.
• The newbs- This group is still working on the basics, learning the ropes. For them landing is a luxury, even without kills
[/list=1]

All three groups will fly an F4. One group will get lots of kills and few deaths, another most likely more kills than deaths, and the third far more deaths than kills. While the "Average" group is the biggest, there is no way the "elite" group and "newb" group will offset each other. The are a lot more newbs than there are elite players.

I think the "kills only" chart shows the usage closer. I'm sure there are a number of dedicated pony squads out there, and I think that is why the pony tops the charts, but the rest of the top 10 look like you would think they should.  In the "kills only" chart the elite group comes closer to covering the lack of kills by the newbs, so I think it shows the usage more accurately. [/B]

So, lets see, last night I tried taking off from a caped field lets say 20 times (more or less).  I used a lala, niki, and Ki84.  Half the attempts I died after the gear came up. The rest, I either got picked after a turn or two, or managed to take one or two of them with me.  What category would I and the rest of the guys fighting there be in? :rofl

Wow, what a nice way to call the categories BS.  What wrong with me? :O

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by dedalos
 What category would I and the rest of the guys fighting there be in?

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by dedalos
So, lets see, last night I tried taking off from a caped field lets say 20 times (more or less).  I used a lala, niki, and Ki84.  Half the attempts I died after the gear came up. The rest, I either got picked after a turn or two, or managed to take one or two of them with me.  What category would I and the rest of the guys fighting there be in?

Wow, what a nice way to call the categories BS.  What wrong with me?

I would think you'd fit in the "average group" this escapade would certainly fall under the " big runs where they are complete newbis and spend more time dieing than they do lifting their gear"  

[dedalos]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
I would think you'd fit in the "average group" this escapade would certainly fall under the " big runs where they are complete newbis and spend more time dieing than they do lifting their gear"  

[Messiah]

I wonder how many tons of virtual lead have been fired in Aces High's history...

[splitatom]

Originally posted by Latrobe
TEMP is #1 only because they never come down from 30K unless they are BnZing a guy already in a fight, and zooms away at mach 2.

Neat charts

no i didnt i went in a 7000 and once on the deck i kill i had a kd of like 5-1 if not more in a temp

[E25280]

Originally posted by Messiah
I wonder how many tons of virtual lead have been fired in Aces High's history...

If those electrons all got together at the same place and same time, a quantum singularity would result, and devour the entire planet in a nanosecond.

[kozhedub]

Lusche.

I think it would be interesting to see your initial usage chart reworked to show usage by general airframe.

Grouping the P 51D/B together, The Bf 109s, the Fw/TA 190s, P 47s, Lavochkins, Typhoons/Tempests, all the Spitfires , etc etc.

!S