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Offline Mobius_1

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« on: January 10, 2008, 11:54:53 PM »
Is it possible to know whether someone is connected via a router onto a network thru the cat 5/6 cable somehow?  Is there software capable of doing such a thing?

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 08:46:19 AM »
You need either an IP Scanner (which will scan an entire IP range on your network and list active addresses) or log into the router and if its capable check its current activity/arp cache. What exactly are you hoping to acheive?

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 01:28:08 PM »
my school for some ridiculous reason does not allow routers, I have one.  If they find out they disconnect my internet.  I was wanting to know whether or not they can know whether or not I have a router.

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 01:39:53 PM »
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Originally posted by Mobius_1
my school for some ridiculous reason does not allow routers, I have one.  If they find out they disconnect my internet.  I was wanting to know whether or not they can know whether or not I have a router.

If they spent time looking for someone that was using a router on their network, I'm sure they could find out you had one.  But unless a problem arose where they would need to search their network, they 'probably' won't find you.  

My brief stints in university IT was more dedicated to helping TA's find lost powerpoints that 'mysteriously' disappeared.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 02:04:50 PM »
Well one thing I would do immediately is change the router's MAC address to something else.

The MAC address (which has nothing to do with macintosh computers, BTW) is a unique serial number that each and every network device has. Your school's IT guys can easily check a list of all the MACs that are attaching to their network, and can quickly see what are routers and what are not, or at the very least can see if the devices are made by companies that make routers.

Therefore, go to the "MAC Cloning" section of your router's firmware and change the MAC to something that doesn't say "I'm a Router!!!."

The first few octets specify the company, so I would change those to a company that doesn't make routers, or a company that makes *everything*. There's a good list of companies over at: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/oui.txt. You can also do a MAC address lookup at: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/

I'd probably pick an address from Intel, or Apple, or Toshiba.

Another thing to do, which violates the spirit of the rule if not the text, is to use a computer with two network cards that shares the network connection instead of a standalone router. It will act like a router, but it will just be a computer running software. Wink Wink.

You can use Windows' own Internet Connection Sharing or run software like Sygate. You could run a Linux  Distro like Smoothwall that's totally free and easy to set up as a firewall/router, or just install Ubuntu and ask the ubuntu forum guys how to do it.

If you go this route, you need a computer, two network ports in that computer, and at least a hub or switch. What you do is plug one network port into the jack in the wall, and the other network port goes to the hub. Then you plug other computers into the hub.

A good IT guy could figure out what was going on, but they'd have to dig for it. Upon casual inspection of logs, it wouldn't be obvious that the connection was being shared.

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 03:19:12 PM »
Changing the Mac address is a good turn around.  Back in college I had friends that would get their internet suspended from the university for too much downloading (back in the Kazaa days), they'd just change their MAC address and carrying on.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 03:24:55 PM »
I guess I'd have to ask why you want a router, and what the whole situation is.


on ym network here (small and easy to keep an eye on) I routinely check connections, and can tell very easily with the tools I have what each item is (with 2 exceptions I know of, 1 older switch, and an oooooold wireless hub we have in the warehouse. both show up but not completely identified by my software.



Do know this, any IT admin worth their stuff would be able to identify / access anything on his network, and block traffic to any particular item that shouldn't be there.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2008, 09:57:36 PM »
Well, I have my PC, upon which I game, and my Mac, upon which I do whatever else it is that I do.  The school only gives me one connection port, thusly I have my router so I can connect with both computers wirelessly.