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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2008, 11:41:24 AM »
The recorder indicates that the autothrottle requested power from the engines first, then the manual throttle was advanced.  The engines didn't respond to either, logically the problem was downstream.  I'm guessing fuel contamination, but it could be a problem with an engine controller or something too, I'm not familiar enough with the 777 systems to know where it's likely to be, but I'm sure we'll see a conclusion soon.
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2008, 12:49:23 PM »
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Also, that's absolutely incorrect, RPM.  The Paris Air Show crash was because the pilot commanded full idle instead of approach idle, and it took too long to spool up when he commanded go around thrust.  It was not a failure of FbW, it was legit pilot error.


If you are talking about Air France 296 at the Mulhouse-Habsheim Airport, there are some problems with that conclusion.  There are apparently some anomalies in the way the DFDR was handled and there's apparently an Airbus OEB on Engine Acceleration Deficiency at Low Altitude.

May not just be all on the pilot in that one.
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« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2008, 10:38:49 PM »
See Rules #4, #5
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« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2008, 11:12:42 PM »
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Actually, you have as much to do with Boeing jets as a janitor does mopping break rooms at Boeing. You don't hang engines, we do. You never have even put a qt. of oil in a 777. In fact, I'd be surprised if you could open the engine cowling.

STFU as you havn't a clue.


As if the pilots could either.  It's good to see a family atmosphere within the company. :rolleyes:


Well since that looks like a good way to get banned again.  Welcome back Creamo even if for a few minutes.
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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2008, 11:31:10 PM »
See Rules #4, #5
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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2008, 10:36:13 AM »
I'm not sure he was implying he himself would hang the engines. I didn't get that vibe at all.  If you work for a company that makes an airplane and are trying to say what he say, he said it exactly right.  "We [Boeing] don't make engines." is exactly right.  "We [Boeing] only hang them on the airplane" is exactly right.  Not being on the shop floor doesn't mean he's not part of the company in whatever capacity, same goes for the janitor.
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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2008, 04:44:33 PM »
I miss that Sphincterosaurus image... it was right on the mark.
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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2008, 04:55:28 PM »
Dang rip, creamo has it hard for you, real hard :aok

What you do to the guy anyway? slaughter his family or something :confused:
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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2008, 06:08:17 PM »
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Dang rip, creamo has it hard for you, real hard :aok

What you do to the guy anyway? slaughter his family or something :confused:



Sounds like a union guys attitude to me.  But ya never know.
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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2008, 09:43:32 PM »
The leading cause being studied (by experts) is bad fuel which may have been contaminated with water.  
Fuel Contamination

Several "theorists" are saying that a cell phone call caused the 777's electronics to fail.  

There is a photo of the airplane just before the accident, which was taken by plane spotter David Spalton.
 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article711639.ece

He also got some photos of the crash itself. Spalton's photos in the Daily Mail
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2008, 09:59:15 PM »
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As if the pilots could either.  It's good to see a family atmosphere within the company. :rolleyes:


Well since that looks like a good way to get banned again.  Welcome back Creamo even if for a few minutes.
He'd never make it as part of the family. He'd last about 5 minutes before he got his grease monkey *** fired. ;)

Hey Creamo, I suppose we just imagine that we hang engines.  They're kind of hard to miss in a dream. ;)

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2008, 10:02:09 PM »
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Actually, you have as much to do with Boeing jets as a janitor does mopping break rooms at Boeing. You don't hang engines, we do. You never have even put a qt. of oil in a 777. In fact, I'd be surprised if you could open the engine cowling.

STFU as you havn't a clue.


Ironically, I was part of a team that design and built (via CAD/CAM and NC programming) about 75% of all the tooling for the 777. Not quite cracking the oil open, but most likely created the tool that helped create the opening where the oil entered. :cool:
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2008, 11:38:43 PM »
Christ... amazing! :aok
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2008, 11:49:42 PM »
Years back I used to spend time down at the engine build up facility north of MOF.  They did a heck of a lot more than just hang engines there, although I was just a technical illustrator at the time.......

Boeing works tight as thieves with the engine manufacturers, I think those engineers share the same DNA.  Once upon a time Boeing and PW were the same company :confused:
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« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2008, 07:03:11 AM »
Too bad they didn't catch the La-7 that got his engines...  Er...

Fuel... problems...   Right...  That's believable.  :D

Thankfully no one got hurt.
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