Remove no tracers option?

[AirFlyer]

I'm against this... But thats more because I can't aim with tracers on. I've always found tracers to crowd my gun-sight, making it impossible to concentrate on aiming at the plane itself.

[splitatom]

i think it should be removed on the field guns because that bull when you cant even see these aa guns fireing at you

[splitatom]

Originally posted by Helm
The Real question is did WW2 pilots fly w/ no tracers?

....if they did what % of the time did this happen?

 ...based upon this you can make your own choice


One of my father friends was an Infantry man...they had intercepted a message that a SS unit was going to attack a certain area .....so they set up 3 machine guns in a flanking position .....Mr. Atkins said that all afternoon they sat around removing tracer rounds from their belts of ammo so the enemy could not see where they were firing from.....late that night the attack came....they fired and fired and fired....after a few minutes the MG barrell would start to glow red hott....as the barrells got hotter the barrell would start to bend up and the bullets would start to not fire straight ...he said he would then put on his gloves and change the barrell and they would continue firing ...this went on for the rest of the night .....by morning Mr. Atkins said that the German soilder's bodies were pilled up 4-5 feet high in some places ....that morning Mr. Atkins Lt. came up to him and said:  "Wendell ..you still looking for a SS officers ring?" ...he said "yes sir" ....the Lt. walked over to a dead SS officer...pulled out a revolver and proceded to shoot the dead officers finger off ....the Lt. picked up the finger with the ring still on it..and said:  ..."here ya go" ....Mr. Atkins told me that he wore that ring all the time....but lost it one day when he went swiming in the ocean .....Mr. Wendell Atkins has passed away...he was a great man...just wanted to share his story with you guys


Helm ...out

in night figter they always had them removed but in normal day light yes normaly sometimes they wouldnt though

[outbreak]

Originally posted by oboe
Sax,

I don't mean at all to imply that I think no tracers is in anyway a bug, cheat, exploit, or gaming the game.   It is just a user-configurable feature of the game, and yep, I am sure there were more than a hand full of top pilots who flew without tracers in their ammo load.

And yep, I am trying it out too.

Probably the 'WishList' was the wrong place to post these questions, as I meant it to be a pros/cons discussion of the feature and its affects on new players in the game.   The '?' in my subject was intentional.

I wonder how much of a frustration it is for a new player to be shot down by invisible bullets and cannon rounds.    Is AH missing giving him the visceral thrill of tracers slashing by his canopy as others quickly find their mark and pulverize his plane?

That lead me to wonder if AH's implementation of the no tracers option as an undetectable stream of fire for all calibers and round types, is accurate and true to life.  I'm not sure about that one way or another.

I used to fly with tracers on, now that i have turned them off i have improved my fighting abilitys, yes it takes getting used to but its worth it in the end, and if the NEW pilot is yanking on his stick instead of checking his 6 then thats his own fault, yea it sucks but it was that way in WW2

[Meatwad]

I never fly with my tracers on.

Its more fun to sneak up on unwary pilots and blast them out of the sky without them seeing tracers zooming past him

[Stoney74]

Originally posted by oboe
Finally, is AH's implementation realistic?   Were non-tracer rounds entirely invisible?

Yes they were and still are.  As many kills during WWII were from aircraft that were never seen by their victim, some of the more experienced pilots would remove tracers from their load-outs so if their first burst was a little off, the enemy wouldn't know they were being shot at.

Since most of the experienced pilots fired only at what we would consider close range (200-300 yds or less), having tracers was much less important to them as they really didn't need them.

I do think it gives you an advantage in the MA.  That's why I fly with mine turned off.  In the SEA during FSO, most of the time I turn them on, so I can clear my wingman's six by "scaring" the attacker off with a burst of tracer.  I would like to keep the option, as I use it, and it has historical basis.

[Latrobe]

< tried flying without tracers for 1 whole tour. Got to week two and switched back to tracers. I'm not sure why I like tracers on more, I just do.

[Hazard69]

Its just personal preference.
I keep tracers off. With tracers on I feel that the sight is so cluttered I can't see the target. However so miss tracers when I am trying to clear a buddie's six and miss the shot.
What I'd like to see is an option to have tracers on/off for each gun type.
Then in my P38 I could have no tracers for 50cals and tracers for 20mm. Wonder if IRL any aircraft were ever loaded up this way:confused:

[Denholm]

Originally posted by Meatwad
I never fly with my tracers on.

Its more fun to sneak up on unwary pilots and blast them out of the sky without them seeing tracers zooming past him

Same here.

[waystin2]

Realistic? Yes  Remove ability to turn tracers off?-No

Oink

[kozhedub]

I'll have to try this.

I don't fire until I am within hundred meters anyway though so not sure it would matter.

[Yeager]

Its a great option and I am pretty sure individual pilots had some say as to the load out of tracers into the ammo bins.

Leave this option as is, optional.

[RoGenT]

I think lot of people definetly had strong opinions on good and bad so thought maybe I would add few more


Advantages:

Bad guy doesn't know how bad I miss

Disadvantage: I know i'm missing badly

[Ack-Ack]

The #1 advantage of having tracers turned off is that it teaches you to aim with the gun sight and not the tracers.  After you learn how to properly aim with the gunsight, you can turn the tracers back on.


ack-ack

[splitatom]

i use them to scare people into moving like wild things