Iranian Naval 'Incident' - fabricated for GWB

[SD67]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Actually it's 72 virgins...and along with them comes 72 irate mother-inlaws.

And then they'll want to martyr themselves all over again and Allah will find himself on a jihad list.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Yep source criticism is the last thing you should attempt to do, especially when your living in a country that's practically in a state of war.

I mean, no war going country nor a politician in the history has ever lied to its citizens.

[SaburoS]

See Rule #4

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Sandman
There's a huge difference between a ship at sea and a ship in port.

The attack on the Cole took advantage of two things. First, there we're other small boats in the area working with the ship. Second, the guards we're prohibited from firing by the rules of engagement set by the Pentagon.

A small boat in the open sea isn't a threat. It will be destroyed long before it ever gets close enough to duplicate the Cole attack.

Sandy,

Give it up. After all, our very own AH BBS Google Search Experts know more than you. I already gave a comparison of the USS Cole in the original thread.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Dago
See Rules #4, #5

Dago, this message kinda comes across as an insult to some, if not all, Veterans. You are implying that they don't know anything about the situation's that they themselves' have been in? I would'nt repeat this sort of thing at the VFW hall.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Dago, this message kinda comes across as an insult to some, if not all, Veterans. You are implying that they don't know anything about the situation's that they themselves' have been in? I would'nt repeat this sort of thing at the VFW hall.

I think he trying to say that a gas turbine technician is probably doing his job:  tactics and strategy are up to Captians and Admirals.

[Curval]

See Rule #5

[culero]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think he trying to say that a gas turbine technician is probably doing his job:  tactics and strategy are up to Captians and Admirals.

Good point, but not the only relevant one.

Training and duty aren't the only things you're exposed to. In my case, USAF taught me about electronics, not security. But I had drinking buddies who were on the flight line and perimeter with M16s and dogs. We had plenty of time while off duty to sit and jaw about what each other did while on duty.

I'd expect if I'd been a swabbie maintaining gas turbines (or heads ) I'd have been interested enough to listen to the guys who were manning guns and missile systems talk about what they did.

Its pretty stupid to say that a guy who's been deployed and claims to have some knowledge doesn't. He may, he may not, but he was damn sure in a place where he very likely would have been exposed to it.

[Dos Equis]

See Rules #4, #5

[MrRiplEy[H]]

[bongaroo]

See Rule #5

[john9001]

See Rule #5

[Yeager]

It's not that complicated. In port, you have to let people and equipment within your defensive perimeter. At sea, it's not the case. If an unknown vessel closes within X range without communicating will be destroyed.
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True, but these speedbaots closed to within 200 yards on the open sea.  On the released video the ship horn was wailing and it appeared the chain of command was not reacting quickly enough, or at least was confused.

To say there was no threat here is simply wrong imo.  

I also agree that this incident  is clearly being used by politicians to support their agendas, thats why the Iranians are so dangerous.  Iranian stupidity, as exemplified in the incident, will trip the wire of war that has been set by the US.

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think he trying to say that a gas turbine technician is probably doing his job:  tactics and strategy are up to Captians and Admirals.

Actually the tactics and strategy come more from the petty officers and chiefs manning all the gear in CIC and the Bridge. Those are the guys that have all the info and knowledge as to whats going on. The Captain, Tactical Action Officer, and the Admirals get all their info from the watch standers, take recomendations from the watch standers and then they make a decision as to what they want to do.

And yes I am an expert on this subject. It was my life for 5 years underway. My last ship I was the CIC watch coordinator and assistant watch supervisor. I only answered to 5 people when I had the watch. My Chief, Officer of the Deck, Operations Officer, XO, CO.

On a ship tactical operations are run from CIC and that place is controled and operated by the enlisted folks. The officers only know what we tell them.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Hornet33
The officers only know what we tell them.

as it should be, otherwise they start getting ideas they're in charge...