macbook air... ye flipping gods

[MrRiplEy[H]]

If you have filesharing on your mac it's a server.

[Wolfala]

Sweet. Post some caps up in the hardware forum so others can follow your config.

[RTHolmes]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Ummm, perhaps you should look closer before putting your foot in your mouth. Feel stupid now? You should. The panic screenie is running native on a macbook. I've also seen safari cause kernel panics, and other apps. Are the software vendors ALL wrong except apple?

sorry your not going to dodge this one, so i'll spell it out for ya. the 2nd screeny shows a powerbook running osx. it has had a kernel panic. the frontmost window is Internet Explorer. This was written by Microsoft. as it is the frontmost window, and focused, and explorer was built using carbon not cocoa, it is very reasonable to assume that the app written by MS caused the panic. you understand my irony comment now?

I personally own a mac and a "pc". daily i use XP, OSX, Suse and Fedora. They all have pros and cons. OSX isnt perfect, but in my experience it is superior to XP in many respects.

you seem pretty determined to trash apple here. are you prepared to even admit that there may be better server oses out there than MS product? I smell cultism here, but its not based in Cupertino.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by RTHolmes
sorry your not going to dodge this one, so i'll spell it out for ya. the 2nd screeny shows a powerbook running osx. it has had a kernel panic. the frontmost window is Internet Explorer. This was written by Microsoft. as it is the frontmost window, and focused, and explorer was built using carbon not cocoa, it is very reasonable to assume that the app written by MS caused the panic. you understand my irony comment now?

I personally own a mac and a "pc". daily i use XP, OSX, Suse and Fedora. They all have pros and cons. OSX isnt perfect, but in my experience it is superior to XP in many respects.

you seem pretty determined to trash apple here. are you prepared to even admit that there may be better server oses out there than MS product? I smell cultism here, but its not based in Cupertino.

Don't try and change your story. You specifically fingered emulation as the cause for the kernel panic, let me refresh your memory:
"lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic...."

I've seen plenty of other software cause kernel panics on OS X. Or are you saying mac owners should not run 3rd party apps? Lets not forget the multitude of bugs/exploit vectors itunes, quicktime, and safari introduced in their windows versions.

I just get tired of mac owners who think the sun shines out of steve jobs backside. The comment about BSODs was fired first remember. I've seen the same thing over and over, mac person disses windows, someone pipes up who knows what they're talking about, produces facts,screenies, undenyable evidence, mac crowd calls him a hater.

Lets look at the lies which cultees of jobs like to throw down and then you look at this thread for how many you can see:
 - macs don't crash like windows (bsod) FALSE
 - macs don't have virus's FALSE
 - macs don't have malware FALSE
 - macs don't get hacked FALSE
 - you can't run OS X on a grey pc box FALSE
 - apple invented all those cool gui features (ie innovators) FALSE
 - mac hardware is somehow 'better'(faster etc)  FALSE

Every single time a mac thread comes up some mac weenie is standing in line to make these claims... I got sick of it, so I make a point of educating the cultee's. Some don't like the cold truth being exposed to daylight. FWIW , I've used many OS's over the years, from cpm onwards. I'm no ms junkie.

[RTHolmes]

jeez.

I very specifically fingered MS Internet Explorer as the probable cause of the kernel panic in screeny 2.

I also separately suggested that screeny 1 wasn't appropriate because it was running under emulation.

i even put them in different paragraphs so you wouldn't be confused...


just out of interest, in your vast experience of owning, using and administering both OSes, have you found anything at all that macs do even slightly better than windows pcs?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Macs automate functions that you do not want automated far better than pc's. It flips windows and cuts text for me even when I don't want to. It's smarter than me.

Having said that, some presentation and A/V softwares for mac blow the pc away. Other than that it's just royally annoying, especially bugs in Leopard. Yesterday I was fighting at a client with parallel desktop - typing e brought up the login screen, typing n flipped window etc. Turns out parallels gets crazy if mac goes into rest while its open.

Well at least the client had fun with me.

[REP0MAN]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Lets look at the lies which cultees of jobs like to throw down and then you look at this thread for how many you can see:
 - macs don't crash like windows (bsod) FALSE
 - macs don't have virus's FALSE
 - macs don't have malware FALSE
 - macs don't get hacked FALSE
 - you can't run OS X on a grey pc box FALSE
 - apple invented all those cool gui features (ie innovators) FALSE
 - mac hardware is somehow 'better'(faster etc)  FALSE

As it is impossible for me to speak on behalf of every MAC or PC user in the world, I will only speak (as I have been all along) on my own experiences.

Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat. I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software inbedded in "safe" software or Active X and Java controls that I've thought about marketing a HDD reformat gizmo. I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off. Never had to do it with my Apple products nor had a customer with Apple products ask me to do it.
 
You could run OSX on a grey PC box. Heck I think it would work on one of those fancy blue ones with the cool lights. Oh, don't forget your emulator!

"Apple invented all those cool gui features" This is indeed false. Apple USERS created those and the fine people at Apple made them better and incorporated them into their OS. What have Windows users created that has become part of the Windows OS? Dis-functionality? Does Micro$oft have a community like THIS

I don't know who is faster. Frankly I don't care. If you want speed, spend the bucks. Either one has speed. Better? Yes. Far superior to be precise. Ease of use, better looking, safer, functionality and just better. Remember now, it's MY opinion and no matter how much you despise Steve Job and the cute little Apple symbol, you aren't going to be able to change my experiences. I love the debate though.

[john9001]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat.

<< never had a crash to the point of reformat, you must be "unlucky" >>

 I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software

 I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off.  

you had to clean up spyware/malware by reformating?

i just had one of the household computers pick up a really bad trojan (running without virus protection), i used a free malware killer, it found it and killed it. It took about 18 min and the software did all the work.

PS. i'm not a computer expert.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
As it is impossible for me to speak on behalf of every MAC or PC user in the world, I will only speak (as I have been all along) on my own experiences.

Every Windows machine I've owned, pre-made or built, has crashed to the point of reformat. I've reformatted HDDs so many times due to malicious software inbedded in "safe" software or Active X and Java controls that I've thought about marketing a HDD reformat gizmo. I made really good money when I was a Field Technician for the ISP I work for cleaning spyware/malware from customers machines on my days off. Never had to do it with my Apple products nor had a customer with Apple products ask me to do it.
 
You could run OSX on a grey PC box. Heck I think it would work on one of those fancy blue ones with the cool lights. Oh, don't forget your emulator!

"Apple invented all those cool gui features" This is indeed false. Apple USERS created those and the fine people at Apple made them better and incorporated them into their OS. What have Windows users created that has become part of the Windows OS? Dis-functionality? Does Micro$oft have a community like THIS

I don't know who is faster. Frankly I don't care. If you want speed, spend the bucks. Either one has speed. Better? Yes. Far superior to be precise. Ease of use, better looking, safer, functionality and just better. Remember now, it's MY opinion and no matter how much you despise Steve Job and the cute little Apple symbol, you aren't going to be able to change my experiences. I love the debate though.

In my 20+ years of IT experience I've never had to reformat one of my own pc's because of malware. I've owned everything from 8088 pc's through to what we have with now, sprinkled with the odd systems inbetween, running os's like dos, geos, os/2 warp, etc.

Emulator? It's no emulator, it's vmware. Maybe you should look vmware up to understand its function a little better. Besides I've have a grey box version of leopard that will run native if so needed (google ToH Leopard x86).

Apple users created gui features? Get real LOL. I suppose you believe the hype totallly...

look at this screenie:


and this one:


Wow, whats that a 1990's OS with all the features you apple users 'invented'? Docks, and widgets, etc. Wait, its a multithreaded multitasking os based on unix? Wow, that sounds familiar.

Yeah, apple, innovative