Situational awareness

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by cav58d
I'd guess the vertical stabilizer made contact with the inboard, trailing edge of the pipers flap, just between the two shots....

If not, your guess is as good as mine.

I would say that was a good guess,  its diffcult to see but it looks like the piper is slight ahead of the Glastar and the Piper desends down on top of the Glastar, the top of the Glastar's vertical Stabilizer/Rudder hits the edge of the Pipers flap

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Looking at the photos gives me no info on how the trailing edge of the Piper got damaged.

4th picture. Hit the vertical stabilizer. You can see the rudder hanging off in the rest of the pics.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Maverick


I've had other aircraft pull out on the runway while I was on very short final and I had to do a go around.  

Same here, I think everyone gets one of those at least once.  A friend of mine was on very short final flying a T-6 when a bonanza did it to him.  If he was any less of a pilot he would not have survived, as the full power recovery he had to make would roll most guys over at that point.   The bonanza pilot was treated to a heck of a loud roar and prop scream as he flew just over the fool.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by cav58d
I'd guess the vertical stabilizer made contact with the inboard, trailing edge of the pipers flap, just between the two shots....

If not, your guess is as good as mine.

It must be, but it looked more like a LG vs vert stabilizer: but maybe the VS acted like a can opener.

[LePaul]

Ouch, saw this on Aero-News a few days ago.

Wonder whose insurance is paying who.

[eskimo2]

I knew a guy in Colorado who gave me a ride in his RV-4.  I was warned by other friends not to ride with him; he was a pretty bad pilot.  A month later he landed on the wrong runway; another aircraft had been cleared to land on the same runway.  Its wheels touched down on his wings, and its prop slashed through his canopy, and him.

Heck, I just looked it up for the first time since:
NTSB Identification: FTW96FA208A
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, May 11, 1996 in ENGLEWOOD, CO
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/3/1998
Aircraft: JERRELL RV-4, registration: N44AZ
Injuries: 1 Fatal, 1 Uninjured.
The pilot of the RV-4, N44AZ, had made initial contact with the control tower on the west arrival frequency, and was instructed to report entering a right downwind for runway 17R, which he acknowledged. At about the same time, the pilot of the Sukhoi SU-29, N55SU, made initial contact with the control tower on the east arrival frequency and was instructed to report on a left base for runway 17L. Both pilots were subsequently cleared to land on their respective runways. Instead of landing on his assigned runway 17R, the pilot of the RV-4 landed on 17L. The SU-29 then landed on top of the RV-4. The FAA's ATC handbook advises controllers to restate the landing runway whenever there is a possibilty of a conflict with another aircraft which is using or planning to use another runway. The threshold of runway 17R is 1,800 feet beyond the threshold of runway 17L. The airport was hosting an open house at the time, and airborne flights from a 'Parade of Flight' were in progress.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
failure of the pilot of the RV-4, N44AZ, to comply with an ATC clearance by landing on the wrong runway, and the failure of the pilot of the SU-29, N55SU, to maintain an adequate visual lookout. Factors in the accident were: the failure of the air traffic controller to restate the landing runway to the pilot of the RV-4 during a critical period of flight, his failure to advise the pilot of the RV-4 that operations were being conducted on the adjacent runway, a high traffic workload which resulted from an airport open house, and a lack of coordination to accommodate the high traffic workload.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X05746&key=1

[Coshy]

That pretty much puts the STFU in the "when you collide both planes should go down" crowd.