Author Topic: Two small planes collide in California (Read 995 times)

cav58d · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2008, 08:17:48 PM »

You're a real salamander aqua. I'm sick of these stupid comments you make...I sure hope karma comes around soon.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2008, 09:00:08 PM »

I thought that was actually very creative and funny.

For a 12 year old.

Golfer · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2008, 10:21:17 PM »

Isn't about time you stopped posting Shrimp? It's been a couple years now and still nothing good has come from you.

Habu · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2008, 06:56:05 AM »

Latest news is that it was a Cessna 172 and a Cessna 150. Both had two people in them.

This is a good example of why an extra set of eyes is not always a good thing. If you have a passenger and you spend your time talking to them instead of keeping a look out you are actually worse off than flying alone.

rpm · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:21:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
It would actually be a blessing.

Beats the doo-dah out of dying slowly to some disease, gradually watching your capabilites become incapacitation.

Cheerful thought, eh?

Remember the scene in The Great Waldo Pepper where his buddy is trapped in a burning plane? For some reason that has haunted me ever since.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:25:51 AM »

Why do I have the sensation that they are going to enforce obligatory PCAS in GA?

Daniel

Chairboy · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:29:28 AM »

To do that and make it effective, ALL planes would need to have it. That means a whole bunch of planes without electrical systems would need to have them installed. That seems pretty unlikely.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2008, 08:55:55 AM »

If I'm not mistaken, all GA airplanes operating from controlled airfields are required to equip a mode A Xpndr, and modern PCAS can even operate on batteries. That's about all you need.

Daniel

Chairboy · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2008, 09:31:43 AM »

First, no, you're not required to have a transponder to operate from controlled fields, so unfortunately, yes, you're quite mistaken. The only time you NEED a transponder for VFR flight is when you're within 30 miles of an airport that controls Class B airspace (like SeaTac, LAX, Frisco, etc). You can do negative-transponder flight into and around other airports, but the services available will be limited and some busier airports may say 'stay clear of our airspace' if things are really busy, but you're not required to have a transponder.

Second, controlled airports account for a miniscule percentage of airports in the US. Almost every airport is uncontrolled.

All of the PCAS systems use transponder responses to get traffic. If a plane doesn't have a transponder, then, well, it's not going to show anything. The PCAS may be battery operated, but it's worthless unless the other planes are using transponders.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2008, 12:02:27 PM »

Copy that, here in Spain all GA aircraft are required to have a Xpndr if they are to enter controlled airspace, and since the JAR were an adaptation of the FAR, I figured they would be similar.

Daniel

cav58d · « **Reply #25 on:** January 22, 2008, 12:10:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
The only time you NEED a transponder for VFR flight is when you're within 30 miles of an airport that controls Class B airspace (like SeaTac, LAX, Frisco, etc). You can do negative-transponder flight into and around other airports, but the services available will be limited and some busier airports may say 'stay clear of our airspace' if things are really busy, but you're not required to have a transponder.

Not knocking you, and i'm sure you know, but if you don't, I don't want ya getting busted.....

Not only do you need an xpnder when operating within 30 of Class Bravo, but also when operating within or above Bravo or Charlie, and over 10,000 msl.

Chairboy · « **Reply #26 on:** January 22, 2008, 12:15:20 PM »

Arg, you're right, forgot to mention 10k and the over BC-space rules. But that's still pretty limited.

cav58d · « **Reply #27 on:** January 22, 2008, 12:20:30 PM »

Just wanted to make sure you knew...I know your punching holes in your airplane all the time hehe!!!

But yea, for GA it is extremely limited...Unless you live in the Colorado region, you really don't have any reason to be flying 10,000 msl in a GA single...Theres plenty of class G, E (up to 10) and D airspace to use.....Why spend the extra money hehe.

Casca · « **Reply #28 on:** January 22, 2008, 03:31:03 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d

Not only do you need an xpnder when operating within 30 of Class Bravo

True...unless you happen to be flying an aircraft that was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with a system installed.

jigsaw · « **Reply #29 on:** January 22, 2008, 04:03:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Arg, you're right, forgot to mention 10k and the over BC-space rules. But that's still pretty limited.

And crossing an ADIZ and.... (you still missed a few)

Seriously, if you're going to make a blanket statement like "the only time you need..." it's best to list all of the "only times." You sure you're ready for an instrument rating?