Cervical Cancer? Is it really a major risk?

[Blank]

Another thing to think about.

 Some high risk HPV (Human Papillomas Virus/genital warts) can cause Cervical cancer and you the man can be a carrier and have no idea you carry it and spread it around if you have unprotected sex.

So remember its a cancer that you can activly help someone develope.

Of course if untreated it could also spread into the lymph system and cause cancer to break out in other organs nearby, possibly causeing death from a different cancer? maybe then counting as a different stat?

So 1 woman may die, might be your mum or your sister thats only a little 1 on the statistics but the impacts to family life are tragic for alot more people.

Still very serious and its treatable, smear identify cancer and in some cases help diagnose HPV and stop the spread of the virus.

Here in uk woman are invited for smear tests every 6 months on the NHS

[DREDIOCK]

Well something else to think about.
Something like 70% of the population will be infected with HPV at some point in their lives by age 60.

So odds are about 3/4 of the population either is or will be infected with HPV.

Yet. only10 K of women will come down with cervical cancer.

As someone else pointed out
 
36,000 will die from the flu

Thats three times as many as will be diagnosed with cervical cancer and almost 30 times as many as will die from it.

yet while we hear about it. not every other TV show Nor every other commercial is dedicated to getting vaccinated.

Im not saying it isnt a real risk,
Anything reguardless of how small the statistic is a real risk.
As I mentioned before. I had Hogkins. so yea I know how "real" and serious it can be taken
the real question is, (perhaps I worded it wrong previously)

Is the risk as severe as its made out to be?
Hell I seem to remember a while back hearing about certain states requiring the vaccination of school children for it
Lets face it. Its made out to be, or we are being led to beleive. It an epidemic.

The numbers just simply do not bear this out.
CC is by and large pretty rare when looking at the overall numbers

Im not saying getting vaccinated is a bad thing. Nor am I saying its a bad idea to get vaccinated.
What I am questioning is the tactics the drug companies are using to boost profits.

Playing on peoples natural paranoia

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Playing on peoples natural paranoia

They played on people`s paranoia , as you put it, to reduce the death rate by 74% between `55 and `92 by promoting and getting warnings in the media concerning the Pap test.

The cervical cancer death rate declined by 74% between 1955 and 1992. The main reason for this change is the increased use of the Pap test. This screening procedure can find changes in the cervix before cancer develops. It can also find early cancer in its most curable stage. The death rate from cervical cancer continues to decline by nearly 4% a year.

[Chairboy]

Dredlock, you asked for an opinion, and it seems like you're really unhappy with the answers you're getting.  You seem _really_ opposed to this vaccination despite your 'on the fence' language.  How come?

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Well something else to think about.
Something like 70% of the population will be infected with HPV at some point in their lives by age 60.

So odds are about 3/4 of the population either is or will be infected with HPV.

Yet. only10 K of women will come down with cervical cancer.

taking Stats from uk from for 2005-2006 for 3.3 million woman aged 25-64

93.8% negative        =     3,095,400 are ok

Stage 1: 3.2% borderline changes
Stage 2: 1.8% showed mild Dyskaryosis
Stage 3: 0.5% showed moderate Dyskaryosis
Stage 4: 0.6% showed severe Dyskaryosis
Stage 5: 0.1% showed glandular neoplasia

i'll take all these as a positive test result.

So out of 3.3 million woman only 3300 showed glandular neoplasia but in total 204,600 woman have or have the potentional of cirvical cancer.

If all the above were caught early and treated successfully there would be 0 deaths for the year, but that doesn't mean its not there and we should become complacent its still a serious threat to your health.

(and yes pharmicutical Companies are buisnesses and out to make money I have no doubt)

As a footnote my sister was found to be at the severe Dyskaryosis stage and i would not wish what she went through on anyone.

Stats from:http://www.ic.nhs.uk/statistics-and-data-collections/screening/cervical-cancer/cervical-screening-programme-2005-06

[Chairboy]

As a pilot, I have to accept that each flight has a certain amount of unavoidable risk.  After that, it's up to me as PIC to determine how much of the avoidable risk I'll be exposed to, because it's cumulative.  I do my damndest to cut all of the avoidable risk because it's the part I can control.

You know the phrase "A dollar here, a dollar there, pretty soon you're talking real money"?  The same thing applies to avoidable diseases.  If it's practical to get a vaccination that cuts a realistic risk (and as the many posts here of "I know someone who got cervical cancer" attests, it's a realistic risk), then do it.  If it's impractical because of cost or side effects, then don't, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Getting up on a soap box to tell people _not_ to do it would seem to be just silly.

[ROC]

My wife will be having a full hysterectomy on the 7th of Feb.  She was diagnosed several months back, had the cone biopsy and it's time to fix the problem.

My daughter is 12, as of this month.  Both my wife and I are not comfortable with the vaccine.  It's too new, it's being pushed way too hard and a little research on the political arena players who have a financial stake in the drug's financial success told quite a bit.  An aggressive push to make this very new, experimental drug mandatory, gee that sent up red flags.

We'll give it more time to see what it really does, my wife is currently reaping the benefits (sarcasm) of a wonder drug she took as a child.  Not interested in experimenting on my daughter.

[Maverick]

I recall there were a few other things that were a risk but seemed to be handled by vaccination. Polio, diphtheria, tetanus all come to mind. TB was another issue that has all but disappeared from the US.

Yeah people die from the flu, but they still provide flu shots every year trying to reduce the death rates particularly among those most at risk. You could say doing that avoids natural selection but if it was you or your child at risk I'd bet you'd be interested.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by ROC
We'll give it more time to see what it really does, my wife is currently reaping the benefits of a wonder drug she took as a child.  Not interested in experimenting on my daughter.

Which childhood drug?  What happened?

[ROC]

Some acne drug her mom just had to get her into, can't remember the name.  I'll ask her tonight.  Kids get acne, her mom thought this new prescription thing would be awesome.

Her cholesterol is out of control, teeth grow dark rings like a tree, health issues all directly related to that product being out and it never should have been.

All because a teen had acne.  Same with this vaccine, and no I'm not comparing Acne to Cervical Cancer.  Medicines need time to be fully studied for long term affects.  Of course, this costs money and people are in a hurry, so they get stuffed out quicker than they should.

Here is my concern with anything Cancer related.  This drug proposes to prevent cancer.  There are Foods that claim to prevent cancer.  There are foods and chemicals that claim to cause cancer.  How can they know the Causes and the Preventions yet not be able to Cure it?  It's speculation, they don't know, they are guessing, and often times they guess wrong only to come back 10 years down the line and change their minds.

I support whole heartedly the drive to cure, but they need to quit spewing forth guesses and claiming they are facts.  There are plenty of people that will try this drug, and that's ok.  I'm not saying they shouldn't.  My charge against this vaccine was the attempt to make it a mandatory vaccination and I'll not allow anyone to force an experiment on mine  We chose not to use it.  Wife, with cervical cancer, and undergoing surgery says oh hell no.  Speaks volumes to me.

Anyway, just one persons view is all.

[texasmom]

Originally posted by kamilyun
I think it was the state of Texas that now requires vaccination...that is also a tough call.  We get vaccinated against other preventable diseases, why not this?  It's the link to transmission/multiple partners that makes this more controversial and should be a personal choice...not mandated by the nanny state, IMHO.

They tried. It was shot down.  When they say on the commercial "I was so surprised to hear that I can actually get cancer from a virus [repeat 'virus' about 10 times by different women]" is this: Its a sexually transmitted disease.  Don't sleep with every Tom Dick & Harry out there if you don't want the cancer causing STD.

It annoys me so badly that they portray that "virus" as if it's something like flu-germs passed by casual contact.

Our own knuckle-headed governor trying to require girls 6th grade & up to be vaccinated for a cancer causing STD is yet another example of encouraging a lack of personal responsibility or accountability on any individual level.  It drives me up a wall to even think of it.  

"Hey, these girls obviously can't be responsible enough to keep their damn legs closed... I got a good idea: Lets just require everyone 6th grade & up to get a vaccination to make sure they don't get this STD which could lead to cancer.  Oh, it'll be a State run program ~ so lets use everyone's taxes to pay for it, too. Whadduya think?"  Freaking retards.

[ROC]

I always enjoy reading TexasMom posts

I'll be teaching my daughter the flawless and 100% effective Aspirin method of birth control.


You know that one, hold an aspirin between your knees, and keep it there

[texasmom]

Originally posted by ROC
I always enjoy reading TexasMom posts

I'll be teaching my daughter the flawless and 100% effective Aspirin method of birth control.

You know that one, hold an aspirin between your knees, and keep it there

 *smile* I almost deleted that one. I'm terribly grouchy right now & thought it was mean.

Yeah, I grew up with the penny method (same as the aspirin method). Works.

[Maverick]

There is a "work around" to the aspirin / penny technique.  

[Fury]

Thanks texasmom.  I was hoping someone would come in here with what you said.