Author Topic: Fw 190 D-9 (Read 3731 times)

quintisv · « **on:** January 31, 2008, 08:56:48 AM »

Nothing quite says "hi, Im a gutless moron who is here to pick and not fight" quite like it.

Pretty sure you need to hand in your balls as a deposit to take one up out of the hangar.

Least SOME Pick 51 runstangs will actually fight, never seen a D-9 do so unless it was a hapless newb with his gear down.

Adonai · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2008, 09:27:06 AM »

A whine has been recorded, thank you good bye.

stodd · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2008, 09:27:19 AM »

who is quintisv and what is this crap spewing from his mouth?

KooLBreeZ · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2008, 09:29:20 AM »

Who knows, maybe someone trying to build his post numbers up?

wooly15 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2008, 09:41:04 AM »

It always gets me when people complain about Doras, Jugs, 51's etc..that "wont come down and turn fight me in my spitty, zeke, Hurri" etc!" Unless you get a kill shot on a HO or the first lead turn...theres no contest, why would you? Not that is what he's saying, but I have a feeling it might be.

evenhaim · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:07:22 AM »

quint you seem new so i will help you by saying dont post garbage encounter and decent d9 stick and they will most likely demolish you in any fight.

Good day
freez

quintisv · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:13:16 AM »

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Originally posted by evenhaim
quint you seem new so i will help you by saying dont post garbage encounter and decent d9 stick and they will most likely demolish you in any fight.

Good day
freez

Every "decent stick" ive seen in LW is a BnZ "OH NOES RUN AWAY!!!!!!!" dweeb

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It always gets me when people complain about Doras, Jugs, 51's etc..that "wont come down and turn fight me in my spitty, zeke, Hurri" etc!"

fly late 109s mainly not exactly a HOcane or sweet16 . If you dont think ur plane can fight then ditch it and find one that can

SkyRock · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:17:16 AM »

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Originally posted by stodd
who is quintisv and what is this crap spewing from his mouth?

Don't know who he is, maybe a newb......but for certain he nailed his assessment spot on!:aok

quintisv · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:17:42 AM »

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It always gets me when people complain about Doras, Jugs, 51's etc..that "wont come down and turn fight me in my spitty, zeke, Hurri" etc!"

BTW Im not saying they need to drop flaps and play grab prettythang with HOcanes but making one pass at 400mph then zooming away 4km and waiting for u to get engaged then booming back in for the pick and then nosing down to run like a school girl at the first sign of E parity makes u a COWARD imho

wooly15 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:29:24 AM »

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Originally posted by quintisv
Every "decent stick" ive seen in LW is a BnZ "OH NOES RUN AWAY!!!!!!!" dweeb

fly late 109s mainly not exactly a HOcane or sweet16 . If you dont think ur plane can fight then ditch it and find one that can

I'll be honest, if I up any model of 190, my intentions are to solely BnZ. If I planned to TnB, I would up a plane that could. I agree that it is very frustrating to get picked when you are low and at a disadvantage...such is the norm in the LW MA. My recommendation is to come into the fight almost in orbit...bet you'll be picked a whole lot less.

kilz · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:30:56 AM »

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Originally posted by quintisv
BTW Im not saying they need to drop flaps and play grab prettythang with HOcanes but making one pass at 400mph then zooming away 4km and waiting for u to get engaged then booming back in for the pick and then nosing down to run like a school girl at the first sign of E parity makes u a COWARD imho

hmmmmmm first off lets see about this. he lived you died. purdy much says he did the right thing.

if you died to a BnZer then your SA sux.

if your wanting a good 1v1 fight meet me in the da and i bet you will not be running that big mouth. find me in the game my ID is kilz

moot · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:34:09 AM »

Quint, you're aware that any decent D9 stick will read this and definitely pick you, right?

MajIssue · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:42:17 AM »

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Originally posted by quintisv
BTW Im not saying they need to drop flaps and play grab prettythang with HOcanes but making one pass at 400mph then zooming away 4km and waiting for u to get engaged then booming back in for the pick and then nosing down to run like a school girl at the first sign of E parity makes u a COWARD imho

Using an aircraft's strengths to ones advantage is not cowardice my friend... Getting a 190 low and slow is certain death as the Dora has the turning radius of a B17, when fighting in the weeds. Avoiding certain death and not allowing your opponant an easy kill isn't a school girl trick, it's called being SMART. TnB vs BnZ is an age old conflict, and if you were a little more "seasoned" you might understand the difference. Both are accepted methods of engagement. Try diving a 109G14 at 500kts (oops... lawndart) and you will see it is better suited for the TnB style fight, conversely and 190 A8 turns like an 18 wheeler down low (Check6) so one would conclude that it was better suited for the BnZ style engagement. Both excell in the enviornment they were designed to fight in and both are miserable when you fight them outside the style in which they do well. Personally, if I'm upping into a low turning fight, I'm usually in a spit IX, and If I'm up high coming into a furball I prefer a 190A8 to BnZ the top of the furball. Both are good tactics.

When you see a high 190/Pony/jugg/Tiffy BnZ-ing, try to drag them down low so that you can get them into a turning fight with your Spit XIV/LA (am I correct in guessing your choice of rides?). If the "zoomer" takes the bait, he is usually "toast"!

BaldEagl · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:47:42 AM »

Sorry to hear your SA sv
BTW, I saw you making these same statements on 200 last night.

Here's 2 quick 190 stories from last night...

I was only on for about 30-45 minutes last night. I wanted to get in a 190D-9 because I hadn't flown one all camp.

First sortie, I'm fighting a Hurri IIC. I'm staying within a 2K box using the verticals. I have and continue to apply pressure. The kill is just a matter of time. After a few roatations I notice a high 190 but I'm on a firing pass so I look away. As I come around I see the 190 has kept alt but there's a Ki84 approaching from above now too.

I climb, reverse and take a last firing pass at the Hurri then duck into a run. There's no way I'm going to beat the combination of a speedster, a stall fighter and an E-fighter alone with a D-9. Together they eliminate all of my options.

I ran and ended up taking a shot to the oil line by the 190 before I broke guns range. Then headed home and landed safely. There is, and this was, a time to run.

The second sortie, I stayed in and fought first a Spit XVI, then an F6F-5. Both playing within the 2K box, both using the vertical obliques. I won both fights, although there was a second friendly involved against the F6F.

What I'm upset with in this post (as I so often am), is the generalization that (in this case) anyone who flys a 190D-9 is a gutless picker.

I've turn-fought and won against Spits, F6F's, Hurris, F4U's and numerous others in all the FW's but particularily in the A-8 (sometimes with all 3 notches of flaps out and I'm not even a noob). There ARE those of us who will fight with these planes, and no, I didn't have to hand my balls in at the hanger to hop in one.

quintisv · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2008, 10:58:21 AM »

noKilz and ballseagle where did I say I died?

FAIL

good on u balls for fighting the fokker though

Moot they were going to pick me anyway