Me 262

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Its impossible to guess what impact a streamlined 262 production would have had on the war. My best guess is it wouldnt have changed anything, other then prolonging the inevitable. Without question it would have had some impact on the air war.

                           When the Allies landed in Normandy, and held on, the fate of Germany was sealed. With or without numbers of ME-262s. Dont forget 262 production had another weak link in the chain. That of fuel. Fuel to make them, fuel to fly them.

The 262 could well have been flying in significant numbers late in 43 had Uncle Adolf not decided to persue the bombing version.  Had that been possible, it is well possible that the 262 could have had a significant impact against the softening up of defenses during the six months leading up to the invasion.  If the allies did not have total air superiority, then reserves could have been moved in the daylight and not been decimated.

All in all, I like to thank Uncle Adolph for all his wonderful decisions.  He and the idiot Goring ensured that Germany lost the war.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Bodhi
The 262 could well have been flying in significant numbers late in 43 had Uncle Adolf not decided to persue the bombing version.

This is not true. There were simply no engines available, and Hitler hadn't any part in this. Only in mid 44 German industry was starting to build engines that did barely work the required number of hours.

[Squire]

...back to the original point, without debating all of WW2...

I would say "yes" to a Me262 with a bomb  load in AH. The players have to spend a lot of perks on them, if they want to do a bomb run, let them. The Me262 does not have a bomb site, and it doesnt carry a huge load (compared to a formation of AH buffs), its hard to hit with a glide bomb at high speeds. The Me262 did see service in that role, albeit limited. I dont think you would see that many players rolling it with bombs, most cant afford it.

The Arado 234 is still the "cheaper" jet bomber, and would still be used in the same #s, as the perks spent are "bomber perks".

In the update, I would have the Fighter-Bomber version as 225 perks, with the fighter version at 200, to represent the fact it was a rarer type.

In any event you would not see a lot of them in the MA.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Bodhi
The 262 could well have been flying in significant numbers late in 43 had Uncle Adolf not decided to persue the bombing version.  Had that been possible, it is well possible that the 262 could have had a significant impact against the softening up of defenses during the six months leading up to the invasion.  If the allies did not have total air superiority, then reserves could have been moved in the daylight and not been decimated.

All in all, I like to thank Uncle Adolph for all his wonderful decisions.  He and the idiot Goring ensured that Germany lost the war.

More blame can be put on Willy than Hitler as Willy had Protokoll Nr. 15 overruled by Hitler. Protokoll Nr. 15 was to have had 100 Me262s produced by year end 1943.

If produced, these a/c would have been a disaster as the bugs were still being worked out of the V a/c.

[Rich46yo]

Ive avoided reigniting this thread along historical lines because I dont want to veer it away from "aircraft and vehicles" which is the forum rooms purpose. But its a good example of why we need a "WW-ll History" room in this forum. Many, if not most, have an interest in the history behind the game as well as the game itself. I think a WW-ll history room would be a great addition.

                         And yes, Ive asked for it in the wishlist room.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Lusche
This is not true. There were simply no engines available, and Hitler hadn't any part in this. Only in mid 44 German industry was starting to build engines that did barely work the required number of hours.

It is stated that they could well have had approximately 100+ but there were possible issues regarding some quirks.