La5 and LA7

[hubsonfire]

Just think how good Leviathn could have been, had he only followed Krusty's advice. It boggles the mind.

[Krusty]

Ack-Ack, but if you're in front of a car it might help to know how fast it'll stop when you slam on the brakes -- which you really get a feel for by driving one yourself

(just continuing your analogy)


I think some folks are taking my comments personally. And taking them out of context. I never said there was a set number, I never said there was a hard demarcation line, but The pilot that's flown the entire planeset for 8 years and the pilot that's flow 1 plane for 8 years, side by side, the more experienced pilot is probably the better pilot.

To make another analogy, you can read about how to operate on somebody, but they don't give out the diploma until you've actually done it a few times, too.

[Castedo]

Originally posted by Krusty
To make another analogy, you can read about how to operate on somebody, but they don't give out the diploma until you've actually done it a few times, too.

Good thing for the one that gets the diploma, not sure its as good for the ones where he gains experience.

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by Squire
"
...and im not "anti LA", its a great fighter, and absolutely should be in the game, has a very interesting history, many top aces flew it.

Not only top aces flew it. The #1 Ace in ww2 flew it. It was Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub as i recall.

[Urchin]

Acually the number 1 ace in WW2 flew a 109.

[hubsonfire]

Since this thread has long since descended into chaos, I thought I'd toss this in for the Wiki historians. It's from "The Best Fighter Aircraft of All Time" thread. On the topic of Kozhedub's record.

Originally posted by Widewing
Well, I can understand Kozhedub being modest, especially when considering that there isn't a single aviation historian who believes he actually shot down much more than half that number. Russian over-claiming was so high, that they would have had to shoot down every Luftwaffe aircraft ever sent to the eastern front THREE TIMES to equal the number of "confirmed kills".

Soviet claims in Korea were just as imaginative. Total claims for F-86s kills exceeded the total number deployed in theater by 250%. Their very best went to Korea, and modern investigations show that they lost four MiGs for every Sabre they knocked down. Rather pathetic when one considers that they had every tactical advantage possible by flying close to home base, from fields that were off-limits to American attack. Since the Sabres had to fly to their fuel limits, and the Soviets had plenty of time to prepare (always being above the Sabres, and usually having superior numbers by a factor of 3-4 times), you would think they would have done better... There's no substitute for pilot quality when the aircraft are nearly equal.

My regards,

Widewing

There's more in the original discussion, but I just found this mention of overclaiming (which is not actually attributed to the pilots) interesting

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Urchin
Acually the number 1 ace in WW2 flew a 109.

The top... I dont know how far back it goes. The top 3 at least were 109 sticks..  Guenther Rall with 275, Gerhard Barkhorn with 301 and Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann with 352 making him the highest scoring ace of all time. There were a lot more 109 pilots that scored over 100 (200 even) also. (the top scoring non-German pilot of the war was a Finnish pilot who also flew the 109 IIRC)

[Gabriel]

New 3D Models makes current skins obsolete correct?

[Citabria]

Originally posted by Gabriel
New 3D Models makes current skins obsolete correct?

yes

[Fariz]

Originally posted by moot
And the super-dweebs will be in 39s.  I can't wait

-) I will fly it for sure.

[killnu]

the Kurfürst has better acceleration, climb rate, and low speed maneuverability

K4 handles and moves just fine at slow speed...

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by angelsandair
Not only top aces flew it. The #1 Ace in ww2 flew it. It was Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub as i recall.

Where did you get that idea from?

[VansCrew1]

Originally posted by angelsandair
Not only top aces flew it. The #1 Ace in ww2 flew it. It was Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub as i recall.

Number 1 Allied ace was a LA pilot. Number 2 Allied Ace was a P39 pilot.

I don't really have a problem with the LA i just think it's to easy to fly. And the LA7 with the 3 20mm pack never saw combat. It was being tested. If you look at the damage it only has 2 guns not 3. The 3 gun pack should be taken out i think or have a small perk value added to it. Say like 4 perks. Nothing to high but if you die in a LA a lot it would discourage the use of the 3 20mm pack.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by VansCrew1
Number 1 Allied ace was a LA pilot. Number 2 Allied Ace was a P39 pilot.

I don't really have a problem with the LA i just think it's to easy to fly. And the LA7 with the 3 20mm pack never saw combat. It was being tested. If you look at the damage it only has 2 guns not 3. The 3 gun pack should be taken out i think or have a small perk value added to it. Say like 4 perks. Nothing to high but if you die in a LA a lot it would discourage the use of the 3 20mm pack.

                    I was always under the impression the first run of LA-7s delivered to the front were the 3 cannon ones. And that about 400 saw action with frontline units.

                  Dont know how many kills the top Russian ace made with the LA-7 but Ill bet a bunch of them were made with other airplanes as well.

[Hazzer]

I only see two Cannon on the new version.