Author Topic: P-39 YAHOooo (Read 2442 times)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:27:32 PM »

Remember, the last thread this in which this was discussed in depth, degraded into a handful of fanatics calling each other zionist terrorists and nazis.

-hub (hey oldman, wanna strafe some gliders?)

Motherland · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:30:10 PM »

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...must...not....bite....

- oldman (start with Caldwell's "JG26")

They surely can't be as inflated as the scores claimed by Allied bomber gunners?

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:46:55 PM »

By Top Aces I meant total number of kills.

Gabriel · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2008, 11:48:42 PM »

Comparing victory totals of men (and women http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/raskov/raskov.htm) in different air forces is not useful, too many variables - from authentication methods to the MO for handling ace pilots , from number of oppurtunities/sorties/enemies, etc. etc.

Personally I find the stories of the individual sorties/combats to be more interesting than just a spreadsheet of numbers.

Karnak · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2008, 12:42:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Motherland
They surely can't be as inflated as the scores claimed by Allied bomber gunners?

Nice strawman.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2008, 01:08:24 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
-hub (hey oldman, wanna strafe some gliders?)

Heh.

Sure thing, a kill's a kill, right?

- oldman

angelsandair · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2008, 10:43:39 PM »

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Originally posted by angelsandair
o Yea i know. Kind of sad though. People are saying that the plane sucks and that every other plane could out do it. Well what the cool thing is though, the #2 ace in ww2 was a p-39 pilot only to be beaten by a La dweeb.

Meant the Allied side.....

angelsandair · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2008, 10:50:16 PM »

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It wasnt the plane,it was pilot

Well that pilot was doing things the right way with the plane. o and the #1 pilot/la dweeb had 67 kills i think (its like bomber/fighter) not cargo planes i think. O and supposedly he ran into a B-17 Fortress formation under attack by the luftwaffe and was attacked by p-51 mustangs and he shot 2 of em down. Kind of wierd.... but the guncam footage of it is kind of wierd cuz its a guncam that mostly only germans would use.

o and another question

WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET THE P-39!!!!! TOMORROW???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

WAAA!!

angelsandair · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2008, 10:58:24 PM »

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Pokryshkin was the number 2 Allied ace... never came close to German scores though.

Well i googled it and the way the soviets scored kills was soo strict that it probably should have been like 80 kills. I bet they counted out bombers.... but still 59 soviet confirmed victories is pretty good since he DIDNT die.

angelsandair · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2008, 01:30:29 PM »

So i guess the soviets could sort of match the germans, in a small sense.
Maybe the germans average aces i guess i dont know much about the german aces though.

Krusty · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:15:33 PM »

Dude... SERIOUSLY... reply ONCE to all the points you want to cover, don't reply over and over and OVER and over and over and over....

Grendel · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:19:08 PM »

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Thats because germans counted everything shot down.

No wounder most had 250+ kills.

But it's not like each and everyone was done with dog fighting, that simply will never* be truth.

"I bombed three parked planes in my 190 today, lets put it down as five dog fight kills, that should scare the russians a little more when they learn half our squad are *aces* operating in there area."

Hehe. Biggest joke of all time. Except the great British pre-war joke of course.

But really. You should read a bit how the Luftwarre and especially RLM verified the claims and credited the pilots. Usually claims took several months research and verification before official victory was awarded the pilot.

Krusty · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:59:24 PM »

FYI: It's absurd to the max to not count "transports" ... what next?!? Not count bombers? Not count recon? Not count fighters that are taking off??

Stupid way to slight a nationality, by saying "they claimed transports as kills!"

Tell that to the Soviets shooting down Ju-52s, or the allies near Malta (was it Malta? 200+ Ju52s loaded to the gills with troops and supplies).

It's got wings, and it's a weapon of war. If shot down, you should sure as hell claim it!

Nobody (save for the one who posted that) would assume every kill was a 1v1 combat between two heroic fighter pilots (insert old rolleyes here)

Kweassa · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2008, 03:13:45 PM »

Frankly, I find the US system of; "0.5 kills"... "1.5 kills".. and such much more absurd.

Besides, IIRC during the latter part of the war the USAAC themselves started awarding kills to targets destroyed while on the ground.

ps) ..like, shall I insert your foot into your mouth for you, Karmy?

Krusty · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2008, 03:19:34 PM »

Kweassa, they might have also done it early on, I believe.

I recall Pappy Boyington counted 3-4 planes shot down on the ground as "kills" but when he moved to the USN they didn't count them, so he wasn't an "ace" in their book. [EDIT: I *think* he switched from the USAAC to the USN, which is why I think maybe the USAAC counted parked planes]

I've seen some kill markings that show normal planes and planes sitting on their gear on a line (as a profile sitting on the ground) so I guess they counted them, but made a distinction.