This Is Rediculous!

[BMathis]

Thanks for your interest Skuzzy. We all appreciate the work you do.

I'm gonna send you a DX diag, if that's cool... I have no clue how powerful this laptop is, but perhaps you can enlighten me with a resposne after you get it.

Thanks again for the help!

B

[Sketch]

The funny thing is, I have done countless films and this didn't start happening until the last patch.  Nothing has changed on my computer itself.  It will drop below 30fps but it has done that many times before while making older films.  Could it be something with the textures and such?

[rogerdee]

i never had this problem till the film viewer changed with the last patch!!

but now i am told it is proberly my system when it worked perfectly before!!!!

[Skuzzy]

The patch which changed the sample rate of the films would have brought marginal systems down farther.  The sample rates needed to be changed though.  It was not an arbitrary decision.

bnasty, please send me a film you are having problems with along with your DXDIAG.

I am going to take these films to a 1.8Ghz Pentium 4 system I have around here and see how they play.

Just for evreyone's edification.  Here is my DXDIAG for the computer I am using.
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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/12/2008, 17:26:02
       Machine name: SKUZZYV
   Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.070627-1500)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/07/07 14:47:42 Ver: 08.00.12
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz (2 CPUs)
             Memory: 1022MB RAM
          Page File: 326MB used, 1972MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 10
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 6.00.6000.16386 32bit Unicode

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Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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 Default Sound Playback: No
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[lengro]

I see it clearly if I start a film in filmviewer and then:

1) press the zoom toggle key
2) press the "zoom in" key until it stops zooming in on gunsight
3) press F4 for chase view (plane should now be very close to viewer)

It shows as small stutters about 1 pr. sec. - like the plane makes small jumps - some films looks worse than others.

I just upgraded my Radeon X800XL to a nVidia 8800GT - it shows on both cards. Didnt notice it before patch.

[Skuzzy]

This is typically not video card related, but CPU related.  Actually, more correctly, it is resource related.  I can force stutters in some films by not preloading textures into system RAM (Video Settings in the game).

My ATI 1600 video card is a pretty low end video card.

[Sketch]

I just checked a film without using Fraps, no recording and without it running at all.  I opened a film of the AK's rolling B-25's, get of the runway and I do a F4 with view on the keypad of 2 & 3 looking back and it gets all choppy.  
Here is my DxDiag Skuzzy...

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/11/2008, 01:38:00
       Machine name: YAK
   Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
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System Manufacturer: Compaq Presario 061
       System Model: DQ091A-ABA X09 NA380
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             Memory: 2046MB RAM
          Page File: 295MB used, 3646MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINNT
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DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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[Skuzzy]

Send me the film please.  I am pretty sure what the issue is, but I can tell for sure with the film.

As a guess, if you have a whole gaggle of B25's in view, then you are talking about processing an enormous amount of polys, which is going to cause stutters unless you have the fastest system around.

I can verify the theory.  I have access to another system here which is significantly faster than my test system.

Krusty sent one in (I think it was Krusty) that had 20+ B25's in view.  Yep, it stuttered and shook.  Expected that to happen as well.  It ran better on my ststem than it did on Krusty's, but it still stuttered and shook.

[Sketch]

I might have found out a way to film with Fraps.  I think your right Skuzzy with the large groups and such.  I am gonna do some checking on film, but I think it might just be when you look back, and that is when it does it.  If I pan around it wasn't doing it... Will let you know and will try to send the film or 2.  

[BMathis]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Send me the film please.  I am pretty sure what the issue is, but I can tell for sure with the film.

As a guess, if you have a whole gaggle of B25's in view, then you are talking about processing an enormous amount of polys, which is going to cause stutters unless you have the fastest system around.

I can verify the theory.  I have access to another system here which is significantly faster than my test system.

Krusty sent one in (I think it was Krusty) that had 20+ B25's in view.  Yep, it stuttered and shook.  Expected that to happen as well.  It ran better on my ststem than it did on Krusty's, but it still stuttered and shook.

That's the problem then... I've been trying to make racing films for the AHXARL, and squad films etc;  a whole buch of guys in the frame... I can see why this is an issue. Guess I'll just stick to making myself or others look good. lol


Skuzzy/HiTech -

Do y'all look at the films your customers create? Would they ever be of use as a marketing tool? I know there are some kick a** film makers here, and thier films may create great PR/publicity for the company...



Mathis

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by bnasty
That's the problem then... I've been trying to make racing films for the AHXARL, and squad films etc;  a whole buch of guys in the frame... I can see why this is an issue. Guess I'll just stick to making myself or others look good. lol


Skuzzy/HiTech -

Do y'all look at the films your customers create? Would they ever be of use as a marketing tool? I know there are some kick a** film makers here, and thier films may create great PR/publicity for the company...



Mathis

I think the last two commercials that were on TV were made by "customers", think they had a "contest" of sorts last time.

[Skuzzy]

Thank you for the films Sketch.

The first one you sent played butter smooth on my Vista box, regardless of the views I used.

The second one of the B25 raid was stuttering pretty good.  Mostly the terrain was pretty jumpy.  I could get it to be pretty bad using an external view from behind with all the other bombers in view and keeping the terrain in view as well.

So I took this film over to my other box.  A 3.2Ghz Core 2 Duo system with an NVidia 7600GT in it running Windows XP Pro.  Played butter smooth at 1280x1024 resolution.

[Pyro]

Are you guys with this problem running XP or Vista?

[Sketch]

Originally posted by Pyro
Are you guys with this problem running XP or Vista?

XP Pro

Vista is dumpster juice!!:p

[Kermit de frog]

xp pro