Author Topic: Intellectualist Elitists are anti-American and we just ain't a-gonna take it no more!  (Read 4244 times)

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Arlo I used to grill anyone for any flaw in their reasoning.  The result was too often broken parts with my fingerprints on em, which if I was to be really fair, I'd have to help repair.  That's too meddlesome for me, and I have better things to do, like living my own life..
In retrospect it's much more efficient to iron out starting with the flat spots in the fabric than to just stomp on the wrinkles and point out that the fabric won't cooperate... Or say they should wear something else altogether.
I certainly have no taste for or interest in getting others to change into anything else than what they want to be. The only correction I'll insist on is one that'd set them on their own way more accurately.  I'm a sucker for well oiled machinery.


Oh yeah, and like you said, very nice paintings.  To me that's almost worth not interfering, ever.
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Laz,

I took a look at entities who provide grants for sea mammel research.

Most of them provide a max of $2000. One or two very large government foundations will provide larger sums based on thier congressional allotment or earmarks for the given year or will pay a reasearch group to work on specific projects they need carried out as contractors or consultants.

To get any of these grants Moray or the Sr. person he works for has to compete with hundreds of other Moray's for a limited amount of grant money every year. Essentialy he has to write a small book of piciune detail along with hoping his audience loves the sex lives of sand fleas as much as he loves researching them. Or that his research is unique enough to draw the attention of a well funded private foundation.

I read some sites on prepairing your presentation to compete for grants. I got the feeling that you need to have a certain amount of knowlege concerning what the government entity or foundation is interested during that funding cycle. No body gives away money for nothing.
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Oh yeah, and like you said, very nice paintings.  To me that's almost worth not interfering, ever.


Almost. There's times it reaches a point. We live in interesting times. Some of us pretend they just happened spontaneously. I'm caught up in counter-weight. ;)

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I know several professors who are department heads and who survive (or at least their projects and staff survive) on grants.   It is as bustr says.. they have to discern what is wanted at the time.

One scientist put it well... "if you are looking for a grant on some form of marmot..  and you want to study their eating habits.. you are buried under a bunch of other papers..  If you say that you want to study how man made global warming is affecting the eating habits of some form of marmot.. You go right to the top of the pile."

And..  To say that scientists have not hurt their own cause with so many silly predictions of doom and gloom that never came true is simply revisionist.

Respect for science exists where it is warranted.. the problem is with the scientists themselves.. or at least a fairly large group of outspoken and in the spotlight ones.

the media seeking out the fringe ones and publishing their statements has not helped..  don't tell me that you moray, don't cringe when you see some outlandish thing in the news said by some scientist.

If they won't face their own flaws.. if they simply blame everyone and everything else...  then it will just get worse.

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dosequis.. I have read the wiki article and don't see myself except for possibly agreeing that you can't teach down to the dumbest in the class.. that equality has no place in the classroom (or anywhere) except in equality of opportunity and... even that is limited by the people and their drive.

No.. I do not consider myself either anti science or anti intellectual..  I am anti arrogance and anti junk science and anti politicizing schools and science tho.

I am pro vouchers.

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we don't need no stinkin intelligence .. we have google
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who's google?
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Schools nor the teachers who populate them, are the culprit. It is our culture's failure to cope with the ever increasing flood of information and a growing need for instant gratification that technology is shoving down our throats.

A.D.D. is the rule, not the exception. She cites, and shoots down, an author who has a positive view of this, very real, situation.

I would like to think that we will be able to adapt, evolve, integrate these incredible technologies into our lives and use them to better ourselves, our culture, our society. But, I don't think that is the case...yet.

In my opinion, at the root of the solution, or counter measure if you will, is effective parenting. Now whether or not the parent is intelligent enough, has time enough, or is driven enough to make this happen, well...that is in flux.

Both my parents worked so they helped me fill my time away from home with productive, healthy and effective activities.

Aside from my regular school day and after-school sports I was also a part of an organization called Odyssey of the Mind. It is this kind of thing that makes kid's head tick.

Our children are not victims of a failed school system, pompous intellectual teachers or failed legislation, they are victims of lazy parents.
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effective parenting.


Well said!  Says it all.

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Laz,

I took a look at entities who provide grants for sea mammel research.

Most of them provide a max of $2000. One or two very large government foundations will provide larger sums based on thier congressional allotment or earmarks for the given year or will pay a reasearch group to work on specific projects they need carried out as contractors or consultants.

To get any of these grants Moray or the Sr. person he works for has to compete with hundreds of other Moray's for a limited amount of grant money every year. Essentialy he has to write a small book of piciune detail along with hoping his audience loves the sex lives of sand fleas as much as he loves researching them. Or that his research is unique enough to draw the attention of a well funded private foundation.

I read some sites on prepairing your presentation to compete for grants. I got the feeling that you need to have a certain amount of knowlege concerning what the government entity or foundation is interested during that funding cycle. No body gives away money for nothing.


Sir you're the closest to understanding and you're only about halfway there.  Thank you.   You have no idea how much of a pain in the arse the grant system really is.... and I work for a major government institute, which is supposed to make it easier...LOL.
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dadano... maybe you can use some of that much touted logic and scientific reason you claim and look at the facts.

In my day parents rarely helped kids with school work.. in fact... it was discouraged by the teachers.

The kids in my day could all read by the time they were 9 or ten and they all knew key events in history and the latest in science and studied art and civilization..

We were at what is now college level by the 8th grade.    so who is it again who has failed?

If the schools and the saints (teachers) fail to even turn out kids that can read or know when WWII was.. if 50% of college students can't find iraq on a map..

Tell me again how that is the parents fault?

Now.. if you want to say that home school kids are dumber.. then that would make sense.. but..  as we all know.. the parents of home school kids are doing a  better job than the teachers at our WORTHLESS public schools.

the more money we give public schools the worse they do.. the longer we are stuck with the public school system the dumber America gets.

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A.D.D. is the rule, not the exception. .


ADD,  an invented diagnosis created by people in a politically correct world to excuse the poor behavior of a child.

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dadano... maybe you can use some of that much touted logic and scientific reason you claim and look at the facts.

In my day parents rarely helped kids with school work.. in fact... it was discouraged by the teachers.

The kids in my day could all read by the time they were 9 or ten and they all knew key events in history and the latest in science and studied art and civilization..

We were at what is now college level by the 8th grade.    so who is it again who has failed?

If the schools and the saints (teachers) fail to even turn out kids that can read or know when WWII was.. if 50% of college students can't find iraq on a map..

Tell me again how that is the parents fault?

Now.. if you want to say that home school kids are dumber.. then that would make sense.. but..  as we all know.. the parents of home school kids are doing a  better job than the teachers at our WORTHLESS public schools.

the more money we give public schools the worse they do.. the longer we are stuck with the public school system the dumber America gets.

lazs


First and foremost, this isn't your day. It is a new age. Adapt or die, is how I like to think of it.

If the child cannot read by age 9 I would cite retardation over mis allocated public funds.

I never said parents should be teaching the core curriculum, don't put words in my mouth. In fact, I think the school day is, if anything, a extremely important social environment.

For the most part, my experience in public schools was a good one. Great teachers, advanced independent classes for those who excelled, and chocolate milk on Wednesdays.

I guess my time in the public school system was the exception. From Detroit to Seattle, I don't feel I was sold short.

You sound like such a victim.  

Harden the **** up.
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ADD,  an invented diagnosis created by people in a politically correct world to excuse the poor behavior of a child.

I agree. Although, I think short attention spans are more the norm now than in the past, as a product of the speed at which we live.
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