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Yknurd · « **Reply #60 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:42:55 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Lazs says we will never run out of oil. What's the problem?

No, you liberal studmuffingort, he said name one resource that we HAVE run out of.

I thought you fascists knew how to read.

rpm · « **Reply #61 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:46:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Yknurd
No, you liberal studmuffingort, he said name one resource that we HAVE run out of.

I thought you fascists knew how to read.

Excuse me? No need to launch a personal attack just because Lazs is wrong.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #62 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:50:17 PM »

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Originally posted by trax1
Thats why we need more ethanol production here in the U.S, I know people say it's just as bad for the environment as crude oil is, but ethanol has a couple pluses to it that crude doesn't have, one it's renewable so we can make more of it when ever we need it, takes the Earth a few million years to make more crude oil, secondly we can tell OPEC to go to hell.

"Few Million"? Longer than that. The US has already used up about 90% of the Crude Oil Reserves. Some think the "US Crude Oil Reserve is a large supply", it isn't. This is why we are dependant on Foreign Imported Crude (not the "we're running them out first" theory, that theory is non-existant).

Ethanol is a snake oil diversion that is currently being used as a Band-Aid on a symptom with a definite diagnosis. But the cure is ignored.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #63 on:** February 19, 2008, 06:55:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Yknurd
No, you liberal studmuffingort, he said name one resource that we HAVE run out of.

I thought you fascists knew how to read.

You really want to get PNG'd. Personal attacks now? Dr. Huey P. Newton would be proud of you.

Yknurd · « **Reply #64 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:18:43 PM »

In a pseudo-intellectual discussion I find it odious, reprehensible and disingenuous when someone misrepresents that facts.

Next, I expect rpm to make a "This is What a Police State Looks Like" video. Whiny female voice and all.

trax1 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:35:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"Few Million"? Longer than that. The US has already used up about 90% of the Crude Oil Reserves. Some think the "US Crude Oil Reserve is a large supply", it isn't. This is why we are dependant on Foreign Imported Crude (not the "we're running them out first" theory, that theory is non-existant).

Ethanol is a snake oil diversion that is currently being used as a Band-Aid on a symptom with a definite diagnosis. But the cure is ignored.

So whats your answer to the problem of running out of crude oil? If it's not ethanol then what can we use? I've read estimates that say the Earth has approximately enough crude oil to meet the energy needs for 50 more years, then it's gone. Ethanol is a substance that can be used as a crude oil replacement and its renewable, as long as we grow the crops to produce it from we'll be ok.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #66 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:39:05 PM »

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Originally posted by trax1
So whats your answer to the problem of running out of crude oil? If it's not ethanol then what can we use? I've read estimates that say the Earth has approximately enough crude oil to meet the energy needs for 50 more years, then it's gone. Ethanol is a substance that can be used as a crude oil replacement and its renewable, as long as we grow the crops to produce it from we'll be ok.

50 years? LOL. 30 on the max.

crops are dependant on water and weather. Remember the Dust Bowl.

trax1 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:42:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
50 years? LOL. 30 on the max.

crops are dependant on water and weather. Remember the Dust Bowl.

Agreed, but we need to do something, time is running out fast on the crude oil supply and if we don't start planning now, and adjusting our infrastructure now it's gonna be too late and socity as we know it is gonna come to a grinding halt.

I see wars coming to fight over the last crude oil deposits.

rpm · « **Reply #68 on:** February 19, 2008, 08:23:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Yknurd
In a pseudo-intellectual discussion I find it odious, reprehensible and disingenuous when someone misrepresents that facts.

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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think anyone can say how much oil we have or when we will run out or even if it is possible to.
lazs

You know knurd, I hate people that misrepresent the facts, too. You might want to retake reading comprehension 101 and take a manners course while you're at it.

vorticon · « **Reply #69 on:** February 19, 2008, 08:37:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
50 years? LOL. 30 on the max.

crops are dependant on water and weather. Remember the Dust Bowl.

current oil demand is about 87.3 million barrels a day (32 billion barrels a year)

http://omrpublic.iea.org/

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nonopec.html

there is 1.28 trillion proven barrels of oil reserves, including canadian non-conventional, but not other countries.

thats 40 years of oil.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #70 on:** February 19, 2008, 08:45:16 PM »

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Originally posted by trax1
Yeah, bio-diesel engines have small gas tanks that hold about 1/2 - 1 gallon of regular diesel fuel to heat up the engine before you switch to the bio-diesel fuel.

Oh really? Odd, just filled up the diesel Duramax with biodiesel. It has one fuel tank. Starts and runs in cold weather, too.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #71 on:** February 19, 2008, 08:53:34 PM »

Once again, ethanol is a poor choice. It contains less than have the energy of gasoline, by volume. Methanol would be a far better choice, even though it has only slightly more energy by volume than ethanol. But any sort of alcohol will be difficult to make work, for any number of reasons. At least methanol can be made from all sorts of byproducts and waste.

By the way, in order to get ALL of that half the amount of energy of gasoline per gallon, the engine needs to be specifically DESIGNED to run on alcohol. An alcohol fueled engine needs a lot more static compression, as well as a different camshaft. A gasoline engine operating on alcohol is doing so at greatly reduced efficiency.

john9001 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 19, 2008, 09:06:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Oh really? Odd, just filled up the diesel Duramax with biodiesel. It has one fuel tank. Starts and runs in cold weather, too.

biodesel is not used cooking oil.

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Biodiesel is distinguished from the straight vegetable oil (SVO) (aka "waste vegetable oil", "WVO", "unwashed biodiesel", "pure plant oil", "PPO") used (alone, or blended) as fuels in some converted diesel vehicles. "Biodiesel" is standardized as methyl ester and other non-diesel fuels of biological origin are not included.>>>

trax1 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 19, 2008, 09:15:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Oh really? Odd, just filled up the diesel Duramax with biodiesel. It has one fuel tank. Starts and runs in cold weather, too.

I could be mistaken then, I know that there is some kind of alternative fuel that requires a small gas tank with conventional diesel to warm up the engine at first.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #74 on:** February 19, 2008, 09:44:25 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
current oil demand is about 87.3 million barrels a day (32 billion barrels a year)

http://omrpublic.iea.org/

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nonopec.html

there is 1.28 trillion proven barrels of oil reserves, including canadian non-conventional, but not other countries.

thats 40 years of oil.

Take into account that the amount of uses for Crude is increasing.

Again. You've made my point even more valid. Once it's gone, it's gone for a long time. Amazing how the same argument can be debated and folks still are left with the same fact.