MK108 30mm hits to the engine

[moot]

Those stalls have been around for as long as i can remember.  They changed a bit with the airflow update a few versions back, but that was announced.

[moot]

Originally posted by Larry
Its been like this for a while. About 80% of the time the engine cuts out right when hit. Other times its just an oil hit.

I can safely say it's been the opposite for me.  80% oil leaks and 20% engine stops.

[Xasthur]

30mm hit from a G-14 on a Spit16 lastnight.... Radiator only.

[Noir]

30mm hit from a 262 in a 190 cockpit yesterday and nothing

[Saurdaukar]

Ive actually had 30mm hits do nothing... but thats probably due to lag.

What I'd really like to put some time into researching is how accurate the ballistics are modeled.

I like IL2's 30mm much better than AH's.  

[Krusty]

I was in a 152 in the MA 2 days ago chasing some B17s that were RTB after drop. I set one on fire, but I'm SURE it was only with the 20mms. I lit that SOB up like CHRISTMAS and got a measely amount of damage! I'm SURE I got a few 30mm in there too!

Anyways, I come in on the last plane (there were only 2) and make a pass, and another, and on my final pass I see I've got 33x 30mm left so I just saddle up and UNLOAD all but 6 rounds (firing all my 20mm at the same time!) and see millions of hits, not the LEAST of which was between 5 and 10x 30mm fireball hitsprites on the tail gunner/rudder/elevator position.


The plane didn't take any damage. I had given it a gas leak from a previous attack. That's it.

Hell I didn't even disable the turret! It shot out one of my 20mms and I bugged out, low on ammo.

He landed, I never got an assist or a kill.


SOMETHING is wrong with damage from 30mm right now. What, I don't know. I just know it's not working.

[Adonai]

Originally posted by moot
No.. That's the thing.  It used to be that a 30mm hit on a fighter would either:
Disable it: v or h-stab(s), whole tail, wing, or at least wingtip - except a few like the 38 or 110 who sometimes would just lose a part that's isolated, like either of the v-stabs.
Kill the pilot: "Boom!"
Or kill the engine, instantly.

Now I've been getting planes that fly off like they only broke an oil line; everything from spits to P51s to Yaks....

Your correct, I have a few videos of hitting La7's in the engine with a single round or a burst of 30mm and only engine is knocked out (i.e oil) However, Today i experienced something extremely weird, at 1000 out I hit an La7 with 109k and set it on fire, now im guessing the lobbing of the shell I actually got a hit with 3 round burst, but suprising to me, not only fuel was on fire but the engine was out also. Not sure how that damage modeling goes since Engine would be in front and Fuel in the rear of the La7?

[Krusty]

That's kind of like getting too close to a target when shooting and blowing your own tail off, and kind of like taking a HO and losing your rudder.


I think there's a lot of screwiness with the way damage is targetted.

[Bodhi]

Why shouldn't you hit a vertical or rudder in a HO?  Unless you are 100% straight on (a rarity) chances are more of your vertical or rudder will be exposed.  A hit that passes by the front of the fuselage might just hit the vertical or rudder, especially when more is exposed.

[Krusty]

In a HO orientation, it is 90x more likely you'll hit the engine, cowling, windscree, pilot, pilot armor, than it is you'd hit a slim strip of pixels acting as the horizontal stabilizer.

On top of that, the round passing THROUGH the stabilizer and destroying the rudder is extremely odd.


The rudder being shot off in a HO is akin to losing your hub gun from a perfect dead 6 attack. It's on the complete opposite side of the craft from where the rounds are hitting, and with far too much stuff in between for the rounds to get that far.

[Anaxogoras]

I took down a flight of Lanc's today with a 109K.  I got all 3 only because the pilot wouldn't bail out or switch once I shot off the rear fuselage of the lead bomber.  Anyway...  I started by making high slashing attacks from 90 degrees, and put lots and lots of 30mm into the bombers, but since I missed the engines, there was not significant damage.  I finally pulled up under the belly to deliver the coup de grace, and that still required a bunch more 30mm.

Another thing I see is what looks like something falling off a fighter after a 30mm hit, but then the aircraft continues to fly and fight like normal.

[moot]

I think it is possibly a packet loss sort of problem.  
I just flew in the DA furball lake for a few hours and got nothing but kills with 30mm hits... can't remember a single instance where 1 30mm wasn't a kill. It just doesn't match the statistics I've sometimes gotten, as described in the OP and other players' comments.

[MORAY37]

I hafta confirm something amiss....

Hit a Ki-67 with no fewer than 7 37mm Yak-9T rounds, and got smoke from one engine.  I was only firing the big gun..(have all cannons slaved to thumb trigger) and counted 7 hits to wing and starboard engine.   Had to pull off and evade defensive fire... came back in on slashing attack with mg only..(4 rounds left of taters) on the port side... left wing comes off from a two second burst of MG.... Two other planes witnessed it.

Not the first time... just the most illustrative, out of my recent experience.

[Serenity]

really the only problems ive had lately with the mk108 was against bombers. Ive plugged away ay a b-26 with a 262 and gave him nothing bit a tiny oil leak. Fortunately though, in my trusty Bf-109 fighters still lose an entire emponage to a single round.

[Guppy35]

No doubt that the conspiracy against the Luftwaffe birds in the game at work as usual

Just wish that it worked that way when the tators hit my 38G.  It always seems to fall apart when I get hit.