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« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2008, 09:02:51 PM »
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If you rig the udder to dispense milk, I want to see it.

I'll bring beer.

Sometimes, some people come up with brilliant ideas.  THIS is one of those times!
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« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2008, 11:00:59 PM »
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Never understood the attraction in shooting something defenseless just for fun.


The only defenseless animal I've ever seen are guinea pigs. All the others I've seen and/or hunted were not helpless by any stretch.

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« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2008, 01:29:30 AM »
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"The amount of time a man spends killing for sport is inversely related to his noodle size." -Sigmund Freud


Freud never made such a comment.   You post is a complete hoax.

While Freud did make many contributions to psychology, he was also a heavy cocaine user, and even committed suicide.

It seems to me, that he himself was far too obsessed with sex.

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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2008, 01:51:34 AM »
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I wonder if I could get away with Tiger hunting....


You would want to risk spending time in prison in a third world country?   Have you no idea how bad the prison conditions are in those lands?   In Thailand, for example, the penalty for killing a Tiger is 4 years in prison.   Heck, I would not even want to risk jail time in a country like Thailand.

Or would you like to be brought before an Islamic court in a country like Indonesia, and get a taste of Islamic justice??  I wonder how they would treat an American in prison??

Assuming that you somehow could avoid local law enforcement, if you got caught trying to sneak your trophy back into the USA, the Federal government would:

1) Seize your trophy

2) Imprison you for 6 months and/or fine you $12,000

Of course, the above does not take into account what it would cost for you to hire an attorney, which is pretty doggone expensive these days.   Hopefully you have enough money saved for your children's college education, that you could take their college money and use it to pay for everything.

Or if not, at least have enough equity in your home so you could sell it, and become homeless, in order to pay your bills.

In any event, you would have to also somehow figure out a way to smuggle it back into the USA.


P.S.  -- Anyone caught assisting you in smuggling the trophy into the country would face the very same penalties, as they would also be breaking the law.  So good luck in getting any help from anyone.

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« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2008, 02:13:53 AM »
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Never understood the attraction in shooting something defenseless just for fun.

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« Reply #95 on: March 04, 2008, 02:40:40 AM »
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yes, but i disagree with all those fat losers who sit their with their gun and blast loads of animals for fun to make them feel like a man.

i've killed a lot of stuff, mostly to eat (damn, pheasants really are some of the tastiest meat around, imagine a really rich taste and textured chicken/duck mix). that said though, anything i've killed i want to kill in the quickest most humane way possible. it's our responsibility not only to protect the animals from excess harm and pain, but also to protect these animals as resources for future generations. shooting things just as a trophy i do have a problem with. the animal should be shot for a good reason.

a lot of hunters don't think about their responsibility to nature, which is a big problem. i agree however that there is a primitive urge in all predators to kill.

i can't stand vegetarians, where are they supposed to get their protein, quorn? lolz.



Tofu, is the protein source of choice for vegetarians.   Have you ever tasted it?  Yuck!!!

There is nothing wrong sitting around and shooting a bunch of varmints, as long as it is not done to great excess.

I lost my best ever Rock Chuck hunting spot in Eastern Oregon many years ago.   I only had 3 great seasons hunting there.   It was the biggest Rock Chuck colony that I have ever come across.   There were huge rock piles that made ideal habitat for them.  The landowner also let several other hunters hunt there too.   Yet, each year we had plenty of animals to shoot at.   We never made any attempt to try to wipe them out, or just shoot for a huge body count.

Well, that all ended, when an enterprising fellow from Portland convinced the landowner that he could make money off of the varmint hunting, instead of giving it away for free to sportsmen.   So he signed a lease with the owner, obtaining all exclusive hunting rights to his farm that the colony resided on.

He then advertised on the Internet, and charged individuals several hundred dollars a day, for an ultimate varmint hunting experience.   He had clients flying in from all over the USA to Oregon, to go hunt on that farm that I used to shoot on.

Well, after only two years of this private hunting concession in operation, the rockchucks were totally wiped out.   Not a single one was left.  Pregnant females were shot early in the year before they could give birth, and later in the Spring when the little babies were out in the field, they even shot them too.   Those were things that I would never, ever do.

Anyway, the landowner ended up very happy.   He totally got rid of his rockchuck problem ( they would consume the entire corner of that section of his alfalfa crop each year ), and also got paid thousands of dollars to allow it to happen.

The vast majority of hunters are good sportsmen.   But there are some that are idiots, and they give the sport a bad name.

Much like the idiot operators of that hunting concession in Alabama, where that 11 year old boy shot the biggest hog on record, weighing in at 1,150 lbs.   It created quite a stir for such a young kid to kill such a huge animal, with only a handgun ( although a very big one in .500 S&W Magnum ).

However, it was later revealed that another farming family had raised it as a pet, and that it was actually totally domesticated.  They had to sell it after it got so huge, and these guys then used it to make a lot of money by offering it as a "hunt" that could be purchased.   So a story that initially made hunters really proud of the boy's accomplishment, turned very, very sour once the truth was finally revealed.

Here is a photo of the kid with his pig:





It was featured prominently in the press last May and June.  At first there was another controversy, as people thought the photos were not real, and had been doctored to exaggerate the size.   However, that was quickly discounted and proven to be false.   The hog really was that big.

The true story was actually much worse.   For the reason why it was so gigantic was because it had lived its entire life on a farm, and had been fed so much food.   No wild hog has ever come close to becoming that large in size.

Anyway, it is folks like that who are the ones really harming the image of hunting.  


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« Reply #96 on: March 04, 2008, 02:57:13 AM »
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The only defenseless animal I've ever seen are guinea pigs. All the others I've seen and/or hunted were not helpless by any stretch.


That is oh so very true.   Any animal that is hunted has natural defenses.   It is only in places where hunting is completely banned ( such as in Yosemite Park ), where you can see huge buck deer and coyotes being comfortable being around people.

I've shot many rockchucks after they became alerted to my presence.   But it was always awfully tough.  Some even forced me to take head shots in order to kill them, as they would only peak their head out over the rock a little bit.

It is rare to have an animal in nature be real dumb.  Rabbits are about the only animals that I have ever shot that sometimes have behaved incredibly stupid.  It is almost like nature designed them to be food for other animals.

Crows, Magpies, and even Turkey Vultures have a feast whenever I go varmint hunting.   It is almost like the dinner bell is being rung for them.  They often will not even wait, and come down and feast while I am still shooting at other animals nearby.

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« Reply #97 on: March 04, 2008, 03:06:38 AM »
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Originally posted by indy007
Either way it's gonna die, so I'm not particular. I know which one I'd pay to see though.


If you were the one doing the dying, though, I bet your preference would be different.  Many prey animals in nature live for awhile while the predator is actually consuming them.   There is no natural law that says that an animal has to be dead before it can be eaten.


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On your topic of tools, well, we figured out how to build fences and create sustainable agriculture... so harvesting meat is already simple and efficient.


Then rodents will intrude onto your property and start eating all of the alfalfa that you are raising in order to feed your livestock.   And you will then gladly invite me onto your land to shoot them.  

:lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2008, 08:39:31 AM »
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If you were the one doing the dying, though, I bet your preference would be different.  Many prey animals in nature live for awhile while the predator is actually consuming them.   There is no natural law that says that an animal has to be dead before it can be eaten.


Didn't say there was. I just know I'd be a lot more entertained by some guy trying to run down a deer on foot and take it on with his bare hands than him hiding in a blind for 5 hours sipping JD.
 

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Then rodents will intrude onto your property and start eating all of the alfalfa that you are raising in order to feed your livestock.   And you will then gladly invite me onto your land to shoot them.  

:lol :lol :lol


I like my varmit eradicating like I like my fishing... with a judicious use of high explosives.


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« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2008, 10:59:58 AM »
So.. umm ..

..who's up for a Tiger Hunt in Iraq?

We can start in downtown Bagdad!

(imagines a bunch of guys with high powered scoped rifles in hawaiin shirts, sweats, mebbe a 'Death to bambi' T-shirt 'sneakin' thru the center of downtown Bagdad)

Ok ok .. prolly a bad idea.

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« Reply #100 on: March 30, 2008, 11:49:12 AM »
survival?  if you have the warm fire and the guns.. the women will come.   If you are worth a damn.. they will stay.
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« Reply #101 on: March 30, 2008, 01:42:57 PM »
Hunting is the only protection some animals have.  If proper wildlife management is applied, breeding populations of animals can be maintained.

The worst thing that can happen to an animal is that it has no value to humans.  It then loses its habitat and eventually goes extinct.