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Offline DrDea

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2008, 12:23:03 PM »
If Im in a massive furball or even a mid level one.Im gonna take the shot regardless of what angle.If I get a face shot while turn fighting and its a snapshot Im taking it.Its all about survival and as said above the HO was definetly used IRL.In a one on one merge no,I wouldnt take that shot and more than likely in a 1 on 1 fight overall I wouldnt.There some of the best fights out there but in a multi plane enviornment I'll take whatever I can.Let em cry on their capt crunch.200 is banned from my computer.:cry
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2008, 12:43:14 PM »
One night last week I was over an enemy base at ~6-8K in my Spit XVI with 5-6 enemys below me when I spotted 2 F4U's coming in from above me.  I turned tail to them and hit WEP and sure enough they gave chase.  As they hit ~1-1.5K I reversed in an Immelmann, and beat them trough the turn.

This set up a series of head on passes.  These guys obviously didn't have knowledge of wingman tactics as the wingman stayed in lock-wing formation through the entire fight allowing me to maintain easy visual on both throughout.

So, back to the series of head-on passes.  On the first pass they both tried to HO me but I rolled through it without a ping.  On the second pass the first tried to HO and when I dove under the second couldn't line up for an attempt.  On the third pass I finally said sc***w it and HO'd the leader who went down in a ball of flames, rolling past his wingman's HO attempt.

Then I dragged the wingman, out to avenge his buddies death, away from his field and friends then turned on him and killed him too (not a HO).

The moral of the story; just because the average guy tries to HO you you don't have to oblige but sometimes enough is enough.

BTW, after 2 more kills (a Spit XVI and a Spit V) I landed safely at home.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2008, 02:11:32 PM »
Oh no I started the HO. But it was mainly because it was an easy opening for a gangbang. Plus I'm pretty happy with it, i got 6.75 perkies for killing 2 planes :p
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2008, 03:49:23 PM »
I think you did fine.  I played with this for a while.  5 v 1 , enemy with alt advantage, ect ect.  If he is diving on you and then your can get a quick gun solution that just happens to be a face full for the other go then so be it. Its an added bonus you got a perked plane.:aok
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2008, 03:56:50 PM »
I HO'd a 234 last night and was thrilled to do it. My biggest problem with it is during a real good dogfight some people will HO on the 3rd or 4'th pass, or try to, or try to setup for one. Why not just let the fight evolve and maybe learn from it?

                    Taunting and crying on 200 serves no end either. 99% of the time I just let it go.

                    Picking? Well if its an energy fighter why would you fly it any other way? Seriously who in their right mind would try and turn fight a zero in a 190? I have no problem with getting picked.

                  In the all of 1 month Ive been flying fighters I am still a little surprised at all the HO'ing that goes on. But...I would prefer to lose a fight and learn something then win a fight where Ive learned nothing.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2008, 03:58:13 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2008, 04:24:26 PM »
HOing is a dogfight maneuver, not many people know that. If you know someone is going to HO you then you can...

A) Also go for the HO and hope you win.

or

B) Evade the HO and come back around on them.

If you lose with A then you took the risk and failed.
If you lose with B then you have failed to evade the HO by timing your move wrong, or the other guy was able to correct his course to get a hit on you.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2008, 07:07:46 PM »
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HOing is a dogfight maneuver


a HO is just a easy way out
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2008, 07:22:01 PM »
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a HO is just a easy way out

sometimes it's the ONLY way out :lol
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2008, 07:49:05 PM »
Why would you ever turn into a c-hog for a ho, that doesn't seem to smart.

Personally I don't ho, but I do expect it from every target I see.
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2008, 08:50:35 PM »
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Why would you ever turn into a c-hog for a ho, that doesn't seem to smart.

Personally I don't ho, but I do expect it from every target I see.




:huh

I was just evening out the playing field. Spit 8 vs. high 1c picking and a spit 16 turning with me. Not too many options. I could've ignored it and risked getting killed by him and went and killed the spixteen. OR I could have gone and HOed him and quickly made it 1 vs. 1 still, he could have pulled off the ho. And he was even madder because i landed the kills :p
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2008, 09:32:59 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I think dead people should keep their mouth shut.

 Cherry picking, HOing, ramming, gang banging, or whatever it is that technically doesn't qualify as "cheating" or a gamebug "exploit", if the guy is dead and you're alive, then you're the winner.




Amen!

Whats "cherry picking" when your the victim is just smart flying when your the aggressor. Whats HO (usually isn't a true HO) but is most often a front quarter shot in a maneuver fight or a hot merge when you have few other options. Usually its a direct result of choices you made.

If you died, you made a mistake someplace. Lose the ego and the blame and accept that you lost. But the good news is planes are free, so up another one and try again.  

There is no way to "ram" and survive, and kill the other guy. We've been waiting for 5 years for film of that and have yet to see it. If you collided, again, its your fault. Grab another plane and try again.

If you died, yell all you want, but don't press the transmit button. Don't type it into the text buffer. We all have more than enough frustration and anger to deal with, we don't need or want yours. You earned it, keep it to yourself.

Now respect, that's something everyone can always use more of, so feel free to toss those 's out there. Doesn't matter if they earned them or not, it costs you nothing. Besides, you just won, so you can afford to be magnanimous in victory. And sending the guy you just killed a helps take the sting out of his defeat. Besides, isn't it better to send a than to get into a pissing match on 200 or private with him??

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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2008, 04:40:39 PM »
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Now respect, that's something everyone can always use more of, so feel free to toss those 's out there. Doesn't matter if they earned them or not, it costs you nothing. Besides, you just won, so you can afford to be magnanimous in victory. And sending the guy you just killed a helps take the sting out of his defeat. Besides, isn't it better to send a than to get into a pissing match on 200 or private with him??


Acually, I'd argue against sending a salute to an opponent unless it was something like a fight, or someone you know.  Some guys in here get REALLY cheesed if you .S them after you kill them if they feel you didn't "earn" the kill - they feel you are rubbing it in. (or so I was told).

When I first started, I'd accidentally salute opponents because in a previous sim .s was short for ".send" - and more than once I had someone take the .S the wrong way.

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 04:52:25 PM »
What Kweassa said.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 06:42:46 PM »
Seems to me if an enemy plane is filling my gun sight, I should probably pull the trigger before he does :cool:
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