When torturing is OK for feds shouldn't it be allowed for others too?

[AWMac]

Where do we draw the final line on torture? 
Timed "Long Division tests that must show the work?".
Reruns of Ice Road Truckers on the History Channel?
LTARs taking base after base in GV's?

 

Mac

[Yeager]

Waterboarding is simulated drowning.  Its a close call for me but I'm going to allow it 

[Brownshirt]

Well I've burnt skin with cigars so I'll allow it too. Also I've strangled a guy so he become unconsciousness, I see it wasn't torturing because of no lasting marks (except in that guys mind, you can bet your bellybutton for that...). I think I'd like to work for US government 

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Well I've burnt skin with cigars so I'll allow it too. Also I've strangled a guy so he become unconsciousness, I see it wasn't torturing because of no lasting marks (except in that guys mind, you can bet your bellybutton for that...). I think I'd like to work for US government 

Has Mr. Black returned? 

[Yeager]

mister black = brownstain?

whooda thunkt

[Arlo]

torture by governments is not acceptable.

On a personal level... It would be rarely acceptable.   It would have to be life or death.   that is not an acceptable reason for governments.

If I had to torture someone to say, save a loved one.  I would do it realizing that I would have to face a jury of my peers.  I would accept that going in.

For governments it is never acceptable as policy.  there can be no justification for a policy of torture.

lazs

The one constant we share consistantly, it seems.

[Arlo]

When we start using tools like this on human beings I'll join your camp in this debate
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Firstly ... you really don't know we aren't already.

Secondly ... we already see the rationalization for it.

Thirdly ... that's how things "progress" to such. One small step at a time. You see, it's not really the rationalization that worries me as much as the eventuality that none will be needed one day and it's just accepted without a second thought. That's the death of the American dream. That second thought was one of our forefather's first.

[Arlo]

Where do we draw the final line on torture? 

Though I know you were joking I can't resist the obvious answer.

It's not "on" it. It's before it.

[Regulator]

Why was this thread started, does anyone really not understand the concepts?

Torturing okay for the Feds?  Is waterboarding really torture?  Is physical pain induced?  Sounds more like fear inducing and maybe discomfort, but not pain.  Is that really torture?  Does it compare with the techniques used by the Vietnamese at the Hanoi Hilton?   How about by the Koreans in the Korean war, or the Japanese in WW2? 

Why the "Feds"  can do it and not the everyday civilian?

Well, the "Feds" are trying to get important information from an enemy that has declared themselves to be our enemy and has killed American civilians and American servicemen and women, and our continuing their efforts to kill us.  How often does the average citizen need to do something like waterboarding to prevent large amounts of killing?   (Answer: Never)

Now, if the answer isn't apparent, then I can't help anyone grasp the obvious.

Carry on.

[Brownshirt]

Is waterboarding really torture?  Is physical pain induced?  Sounds more like fear inducing and maybe discomfort, but not pain.  Is that really torture?  Does it compare with the techniques used by the Vietnamese at the Hanoi Hilton?   How about by the Koreans in the Korean war, or the Japanese in WW2? 

It's not torturing if we do it, it's just way to gather information 

btw I used cig butts on myself; we had a little competition. Sometimes being in the army was pretty boring...

[bj229r]

It's not torturing if we do it, it's just way to gather information 

btw I used cig butts on myself; we had a little competition. Sometimes being in the army was pretty boring...

yah cig butts, blow torch, we are JUST like them

[AKIron]

I believe there's no one here who wouldn't say yes to the most horrendous torture under the right conditions. For example, nukes are set to detonate and kill every last person in your country and one person has info that can prevent this. Who here would spare the electrodes? Examine yourself before casting stones.

[Arlo]

Does it compare with the techniques used by the Vietnamese at the Hanoi Hilton?   How about by the Koreans in the Korean war, or the Japanese in WW2? 

By the way .... this is the rationalization I was talking about. It's ok .... by degrees. And over time it gets more ok by more degrees.

[Arlo]

I believe there's no one here who wouldn't say yes to the most horrendous torture under the right conditions. For example, nukes are set to detonate and kill every last person in your country and one person has info that can prevent this. Who here would spare the electrodes? Examine yourself before casting stones.

We're not talking scenarios or exceptions. We're talking standards. Go back to Lazs' post. As for stoning ... poor policies deserve a quicker death.

[AKIron]

We're not talking scenarios or exceptions. We're talking standards. Go back to Lazs' post. As for stoning ... poor policies deserve a quicker death.

Standards in time of peace will differ from those in time of war. Just because you and I may be living a life of relative peace does not mean that war is not being waged upon western civilzation. When this war is brought to your neighborhood waterboarding may seem like an excessive kindness.