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Offline Strip

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New planes and the AH2 community.....
« on: March 10, 2008, 04:19:30 AM »
        This question has been asked before but I think it may be time to revisit it again.With the outcry for new content I have an old proposal. Why not let the AH2 community model new planes? HT has commented on this issue before. He did respectfully decline the plane model stating there were software issues and other problems.He also stated in no uncertain terms would a non-employee be allowed to look at or code the flight model. I understand this for very obvious and understandable reasons.

        However as time has past maybe options have opened up to the HTC crew. If certain people had access to the right software great benifit would be had to let them build a graphics model. Without knowing computer code and game design I have to think that the graphics model represents a majority of the time spent on a new plane. I dont do computer code for a living and I dont know the ins and outs of AH2's software so the above statements may be untrue. I have to think people like Krusty, Widewing, and Lusche (I know there are many others but these came to mind first) would be glad to help with the data and profiles. If HTC was to recieve a fully modeled graphics of a plane with the proper data how much time would be spent getting it to something we see in game?

Is this something HTC might have opened up to and can discuss further?

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Offline BaDkaRmA158Th

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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 04:31:59 AM »
Most likely not.

Hurry up, and wait like the rest of us.
When it comes we will be all  :uhoh when downloading stops..then  :pray..shortly fallowed with much much  :rock

Just you wait, you will see.
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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 04:52:38 AM »
Like you said, I'd say the 3D model and textures are at most as big a workload as the FM work.  The FM work once "compiled" is most likely the result of a private recipe by HTC, and I doubt that's something they'd share.  It's probably not worth the risk of letting others see, even weighed against the benefit of outsourcing work...

The graphics models (texture, 3D) could still be something the community could help with, as skins are now.. That's probably more likely.
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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 05:51:23 AM »
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Why not let the AH2 community model new planes?


 From the top of my head, I can think of these reasons.


1) Development schedule control and commitment issues

 I've worked on internet projects on quite a few occasions. It always starts out great. There are volunteers everywhere, and everyone is so enthusiastic. However, after the first month of the project launch, people disappear. They break contact, go missing, do not respond and return e-mails. Those who keep in contact did not finish their quota. The project is in trouble, the manager hastily tries to redistribute workloads to people who do remain in contact, blames are thrown around, more people quit or disappear. The quality of work drops down, things have to be done over and over again until it becomes right, and then before you know it, the project is halted.

 Then you realize, despite the high enthusiasm, these aren't really committed people you are working with. They are neither your workers nor your colleagues. They are bunch of people with some free-time who thought they'd be able to help things out, and then after a while decide on-line internet committments aren't as important as real life issues. They aren't going to give up their Fridays and weekends to get the work done. They aren't going to stay up at nights to do the quota - they've already done their dayjob, and decide that they need their rest. Some of them are kids, barely out of teens, irresponsible and impetuous, and start regretting they jumped into something they cannot handle.. and decide to just 'disappear'.

 Be it unofficial add-ons or mods or perhaps even slight changes to the game, I've seen and experienced how these 'projects work' - they don't.


2) Work standards and regulations

 The chances are, when people do something they either never meet the criteria, or do an overkill. Things are different when you work alone by yourself. There is no constant input from the management or team leaders who can set your work standards. When people model a single engine nacelle, they might either use 3 gazillion polygons to do so, or use just 3, which in both case HTC would have to either reject it and wait for the volunteer to redo it, or just fix it themselves, which in either case easily doubles the workload. Everything you need to do takes input via e-mail, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, until you come up with something HTC can use. By this time, HTC could have done maybe twice, or three times the work you've done, themselves.


 Relying on people who don't work for you, and thus have no committment to you, is not something a company would want to do.
 

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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 09:12:10 AM »
How about making some new maps, let HT do the planes. Which IMO we have enough at the moment. New maps is what I would like to see.
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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 09:36:01 AM »
How about making some new maps, let HT do the planes. Which IMO we have enough at the moment. New maps is what I would like to see.

The CM Terrain Team and other volunteer players are busy creating new terrains. While not always made for the Main Arena, the number of custom maps for the SEA continues to grow.
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Offline FrodeMk3

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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 01:51:46 PM »
How about making some new maps, let HT do the planes. Which IMO we have enough at the moment. New maps is what I would like to see.

The LW planeset's aren't even full.

The EW and MW planeset's are barely a good start. New planes/GV's/other features' are desperately needed.

Map's, yes, I agree there. I kinda wish some of the restrictions' regarding their construction were lifted, though. Heck, even some of the ones' we used to have, put back in rotation. But we DO NOT have enough planes.

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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 02:10:15 PM »
Couldn't they outsource the modelling to a third party? Perhaps of AH enthusiasts?
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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 02:17:56 PM »
I dont want anybody but employees of HTC to have anything whatsoever to do with any code content for anything remotely related to this game.

Why?

Just look through the history of computer source code and games. Once the Genie is out of the lamp there is no putting it back. This will just become another in a long line of games that were destroyed by unscrupulous people out there.

What could HTC do to anybody that was not in their employ that leaked code? Absolutely nothing. So I dont want them to let the Genie out of the lamp. They are doing just fine.

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Re: New planes and the AH2 community.....
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 03:06:01 PM »
I've tooled with possiblity of doing a MA map. But the very real and dishearting fact is.....there have been very nice maps with 1000+ hours submited that were rejected or worse ignored (as told by some accounts). I also am aware that any graphics models may share the same fate tho.

KayBayRay.....The graphics model is a seperate enity to the flight model. I agree that the FM should/will stay confidential. Someone could build a model without ever getting near the source code for the game. The graphics model has no bearing on what a plane is and isnt capable of. Just look at  HTC sleigh during Christmas or some of the CON planes.

Mister Fork.....Yes absolutely they could outsource. The question is would it be worth the additional complications of getting someone up to speed on what HTC does in the graphics department. Its a cost/benefit problem. Also there is the time spent in coding the flight model and flight testing which would HAVE to be done in house.

Kweassa....You bring valid, albeit pesimistic, points of view. I would hope you are wrong if a group was ever given the chance tho.

HTC...Would love to hear from you guys!

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