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Offline BaldEagl

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Woe is me
« on: March 31, 2008, 12:48:20 AM »
Before anyone panics, the new machine is running great.

So... after getting the new machine put together I decided to clean up my laptop.  That also went great.

Then I decided since I had a 160 and a 200 Gig HD in my old machine (both Seagates) and they were both limited to 127 Gigs so Win98 defrag would run on them, I'd swap them into the new machine as storage drives and install a 120 and a 60 Gig I had lying around (both Western Digitals).  This was supposed to be a quick and easy swap-over but, I tried doing a disc image to move my OS and everything else 3 times with failures each time.  I tried with both the Seagate and the WD software. 

After the third try, every time I wanted to boot the machine it wanted to run scan disc with surface scan and I couldn't find where the issue was regarding the surface scan part.  So, I booted up, escaped past the scan-disc and ran it with surface scan from within windows (25 hours).  It detected and repaired some problems with the 60 Gig drive but when I re-booted it wanted to run scan-disc with surface scan again.

By now I had the 200 Gig drive in the new machine and working good, so I decided I'd slap the 60 in the new machine, copy over the files that I wanted (almost 60 Gigs worth), totally re-format the 120 with Win98 for the old machine, put the 160 in the new machine and format for storage, then add the 60 with the data I wanted to the old machine as a slave.

I got the 120 formatted and the OS plus a few other things re-installed and got the 160 into the new machine and formatted for storage.  Then I put the 60 in the old machine and windows wouldn't recognize it, even though the BIOS did.  So, I thought, it must be a formatting difference between XP and 98 causing this issue, so I tried to re-format the 60 with the WD software but it didn't recognize either drive (nor did windows or the BIOS now).  I unplugged the 60 and it booted with the newly formatted 120, then I re-installed the 60 and everything was recognized but the 60 wasn't readable so I re-formatted the 60 thinking I'd network the machines to transfer data.

So, everything in place, formatted and recognized, I opened the network.  60 Gigs was estimated at ~26 hours to transfer.  That was too slow for me but I had a full spindle of CD-ROM's that I got for X-mas a couple of years ago, so I started transferring via CD-ROM, 700 Mb at a time.  Of course, when you drag the files off the ROM they are all read only and need to be re-formatted.  I got 3 discs worth moved then gave up for the weekend.

Tonight, as I went to shut down the machine, I thought I'd look at how much disc space was in use.  Now my 120 Gig boot drive says I only have 1 Gig installed and 1 Gig free!  Looks like a re-format/start-over (again). 

This is turning into the HD swap from hell.  Any suggestions on recognizing the rest of the boot drive or on moving that 60 Gigs of stuff?
« Last Edit: March 31, 2008, 12:51:26 AM by BaldEagl »
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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2008, 07:36:38 AM »
I would seriously consider buying a WD 150+gig external HD with USB connection for a backup/transfer hd. They come in cheap nowadays, from $80 to 120.

Once you dump the backup files to the external drive you can safely format your old hd (and make sure you don't select the quick format option, do a full one).

Of course if the Win98 machine doesn't support USB2.. blechh.. You're in for trouble. Anyways with the old box and external HD you can leave it to copy and go enjoy a few beers in the meantime.
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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 09:05:28 AM »
Acronis Migrate Easy would do it in less than an hour on my system but it sounds like you have a system problem somewhere like a hard drive about to die or something.

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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2008, 12:57:06 PM »
I think I have it all figured out.

At the point this weekend where neither the WD software nor the BIOS were recognizing either HD, I entered the CMOS and set all the BIOS settings back to default, then went through the several boots and formatted the 60 Gig drive (to Fat32).  When I did this I'm sure that the BIOS set the 120 boot drive back to Fat16 which only recognizes 2 Gig partitions, thus it's now saying 1 Gig is used and 1 Gig is free.  I'm at work but when I get home tonight I'm sure this is what I'll find, so I only need to convert that drive to Fat32 and everything should be fine.  I'm actually guessing the drive itself is still formatted in Fat32 but the OS is trying to read it in Fat16 and limiting the partition.  Either way I'm sure (I hope) I've identified the problem.

Also, when I tried to put the 60 into the new machine to get my data, then put it into the old machine where it wasn't recognized, I think I re-formatted it on the new machine (unwittingly to NTFS) before doing so.  That was the reason Win98 didn't recognize it.  I'm going to try formatting it to Fat32 tonight, put it in the new machine, copy my files over, then install it back in the old machine and I'm betting it will work.

Thanks for the suggestions. 

Sometimes it just takes stepping away for a few hours to clear your head and use a little common sense to analyse a problem like this.  If I'm right, I've learned some valuable lessons and won't burn a week banging my head against the wall next time I attempt something like this.
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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 02:29:40 PM »
BaldEagl,  Will you ever quit tinkering? 
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2008, 05:28:58 PM »
BaldEagl,  Will you ever quit tinkering? 
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Offline Tigger29

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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2008, 09:01:27 PM »
There are 3 formats that Windows uses:

FAT16 - 2GB Limit... Recognized by all windows versions

FAT32 - 200GB? Limit... Recognized by Win95+ (Possibly 3.1 if a newer DOS version is used, but that's irrelevant these days anyway)

NTFS - I don't know of any size limit... ONLY Recognized by NT, 2000, XP, and Vista.  If you format a drive in XP, but then WIN98 won't recognize it, then this is probably why.


Awhile back I had to clone a drive (my SATA drive was going out.. getting real slow... needed to transfer my NTFS file system to an old drive, so I could send it in for warranty), but my old copy of GHOST didn't support NTFS, so I ended up using something called XCLONE, or XXCLONE or something like that that was free and it worked just fine.  Once I got my new drive back in the mail, I ended up doing a fresh install.

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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 12:33:28 AM »
I was right!  It all worked out tonight.  Finally!

Tigger, you can just use the copy/paste feature to copy files from NTFS to Fat32 or Fat16.  If they are compressed, they decompress to the target location file system and retain the target attributes.  Boy, I wish I had known this a week ago.

It still took me all night:

Drag files from old machine storage drive (60 gig) to old machine boot drive (120 Gig)
Use Windows re-format on 60 Gig (already Fat32)
Copy files from 120 Gig to 60 Gig useing Seagate utilities (copy files feature)
Swap drive locations
Boot to test and check appropriate locations of drives
Reformat 120 Gig drive useing Seagate utilities to format to Fat32 (quick format)
Reformat 120 Gig drive using windows re-format (full format with sector test)
Swap drive locations
Copy files from 60 Gig to 120 Gig useing Seagate utilities (copy files feature)
Swap drive locations
Boot to test and check appropriate locations of drives
Reformat 60 Gig drive using windows re-format (full format with sector test)
Copy files from 160 Gig new machine storage drive to 200 Gig new machine storage drive (concurrent with above)
Pull 160 Gig from new machine and replace with 60 Gig from old machine
Copy small file group to 60 Gig using copy/paste
Pull 60 Gig and  install in old machine to test for file integrity
Pull 60 Gig from old machine and re-install in new machine
Copy ~55Gigs of files from 200 Gig to 60 Gig
Pull 60 Gig from new machine and install in old machine
Put 160 Gig back in new machine
Delete duplicate files from 200 Gig drive

A lot of steps huh?
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Re: Woe is me
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 11:14:52 AM »
I was right!  It all worked out tonight.  Finally!

Tigger, you can just use the copy/paste feature to copy files from NTFS to Fat32 or Fat16.  If they are compressed, they decompress to the target location file system and retain the target attributes.  Boy, I wish I had known this a week ago.

It still took me all night:

Drag files from old machine storage drive (60 gig) to old machine boot drive (120 Gig)
Use Windows re-format on 60 Gig (already Fat32)
Copy files from 120 Gig to 60 Gig useing Seagate utilities (copy files feature)
Swap drive locations
Boot to test and check appropriate locations of drives
Reformat 120 Gig drive useing Seagate utilities to format to Fat32 (quick format)
Reformat 120 Gig drive using windows re-format (full format with sector test)
Swap drive locations
Copy files from 60 Gig to 120 Gig useing Seagate utilities (copy files feature)
Swap drive locations
Boot to test and check appropriate locations of drives
Reformat 60 Gig drive using windows re-format (full format with sector test)
Copy files from 160 Gig new machine storage drive to 200 Gig new machine storage drive (concurrent with above)
Pull 160 Gig from new machine and replace with 60 Gig from old machine
Copy small file group to 60 Gig using copy/paste
Pull 60 Gig and  install in old machine to test for file integrity
Pull 60 Gig from old machine and re-install in new machine
Copy ~55Gigs of files from 200 Gig to 60 Gig
Pull 60 Gig from new machine and install in old machine
Put 160 Gig back in new machine
Delete duplicate files from 200 Gig drive

A lot of steps huh?

Now I know why your Bald... :D