Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud

[Angus]

BTW, glacial retreat broke all records in 2006....

[AWMac]

Sooooo yer sayin Glaciers are French?

 

Mac

[Holden McGroin]

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

The global sea ice area is about 1 million sq KM more than normal for this time of year.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.jpg

The Northern hemisphere is about 1/2 a million sq km less than the average for this time of year, but has a greater extent than the greatest extent of the last 4 years...

[Angus]

Didn't know that the hemispere had been shrinking
Anyway, in the sea Ice category the Ice chipping off land is also in there. What's been scary is that the sea Ice has NOT being increasing despite of this.
Anyway, my data does mostly NOT match yours.....lookie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850
You have lots of Greenland and Antarctica there, and data up to 2005 as well as results that are warm from 2007.
In our country we have several glaciers, most but not all believed to be in retreat. With an update from 2008 it was manifested that ALL of them are in retreat.
Then on to your sea Ice graph. Try to look at more than just the high spike,- which is not breaking any records, - but at the low one, which is. Now as well, this is area, not thickness, which is known to have declined.
And the French...have Glaciers. Or used to, many have ehmm...surrendered.

[Holden McGroin]

Didn't know that the hemispere had been shrinking

Okay, yeah, well, I did take some grammaratalogical liberties there.

The floating sea ice area at least in the N hemisphere is greater than last year at this time, that was the point.

[lazs2]

all this hand wringing about the end of the world by co2 fueled temp that will fry us all...

When you could have just been enjoying the natural and pleasant warm spell we had..  Hopefully, it will hang on for a few more years and the natural and normal fluctuation to cold spell won't be too bad or last too long.

We are at the mercy of nature.

lazs

[Angus]

Okay, yeah, well, I did take some grammaratalogical liberties there.

The floating sea ice area at least in the N hemisphere is greater than last year at this time, that was the point.

It topped later, after doing an all time low. A 4 years spike vs an all time sink. We'll see where it drops next time...

[lazs2]

Ya know.. it seems that we are all getting a little closer together on this thing.   It seems that as more and more scientists come out and admit there is way more to it than some algore fairytale.. that we are getting a little more...  "lets wait and see" and.. "nature is the driving factor" and even a little more.....

ITS THE SUN STUPID.

sorry.. couldn't resist.   I promise not to rub it in too much in the coming years.

lazs

[MORAY37]

Ya know.. it seems that we are all getting a little closer together on this thing.   It seems that as more and more scientists come out and admit there is way more to it than some algore fairytale.. that we are getting a little more...  "lets wait and see" and.. "nature is the driving factor" and even a little more.....

ITS THE SUN STUPID.

sorry.. couldn't resist.   I promise not to rub it in too much in the coming years.

lazs

I guess the poles melt when it "cools off for 8 years", huh Lazs?

Wednesday, March 26, 2008; Page A02

A chunk of Antarctic ice about seven times the size of Manhattan suddenly collapsed, putting an even larger portion of glacial ice at risk, scientists said yesterday.

Satellite images show a runaway 160-square-mile chunk of ice that broke off the Wilkins Ice Shelf in western Antarctica. The chunk started breaking off on Feb. 28. It had been there for perhaps 1,500 years.

The event is a result of global warming, said British Antarctic Survey scientist David Vaughan.

Although icebergs naturally break away from the mainland, collapses such as this are unusual. They have been happening more frequently, however, in recent decades, Vaughan said. The collapse is similar to what happens to glass when it is smashed with a hammer, he said.

The rest of the Wilkins Ice Shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut, is holding on by a narrow beam of thin ice. Scientists worry that it too may collapse. Larger, more dramatic ice collapses occurred in 2002 and 1995.

Vaughan had predicted in 1993 that the Wilkins shelf would collapse in 30 years.

[WWhiskey]

Yet with all of your grandious talk you fail to realize...

A.  This species has not survived a major climate shift.  (The last "minor" blip, minor to our planet that is, almost eradicated us, pushing the worldwide population of Homo sapien to a point so low it can be seen in our current genetic makeup.  It is estimated only 10,000 individuals survived, and our genes can trace that.)

and

B. The shift in climate has always taken millenia to move a few degrees, and that is with known shifts in orbital inclination and orbital mechanics that our planet goes through. That much happened in the past 50 years.  You obviously don't get it.

So how do you explain an animal found in the wild, frozen to death, instanly, the grass it was grazeing still in its mouth and stomach, on what was known to be green fertile land around the beginning of the last ice age?
 I do not doubt that the climate will change,only the ability of man to cause it, or prevent it!
I know that having 32 different blends of fuel in this country, helping to drive the price of fuel thru the roof, is not ever going to help anything other than to break the people of this country, all for the bank book of Al Gore and his idiot freinds who think using corn for fuel is a brilliant idea without taking the time to figure out that it takes more fossil fuel energy to convert corn to fuel energy than burning it outright! the sky is falling, the sky is falling, i had forgoten about that old tale!
  yes someday the sky might fall, and no we cant stop it by breaking the economy of this country!

[Holden McGroin]

It topped later, after doing an all time low. A 4 years spike vs an all time sink. We'll see where it drops next time...

All time = last 50 years?

Do we have good data for ice sheet extent in say, 1627?

[Angus]

For what it's worth, they were bigger then
The benefit of inland glaciers is that they really leave fingerprints, as well as being documented.

[lazs2]

wow moray..  and you are the one who keeps telling us that local events are not global climate?   That it takes time for effects?

Now.. even tho the total ice on the planet is increasing...  if there is some retreating in antartica..   that is "global" 

Also.. while it has been cooling..  it has been cooler this century.. we are on a downward trend. that does not mean that it is colder now than any time this century..  give it a little time...

You will be whining about how cold it is and how that will kill the oceans and all the sea life soon enough.

In the meantime..  enjoy the nice weather we have been having.   and....

Pray they don't waste trillions of dollars and ruin already fragile economies on this hoax.

lazs

[MORAY37]

wow moray..  and you are the one who keeps telling us that local events are not global climate?   That it takes time for effects?

Now.. even tho the total ice on the planet is increasing...  if there is some retreating in antartica..   that is "global" 

Also.. while it has been cooling..  it has been cooler this century.. we are on a downward trend. that does not mean that it is colder now than any time this century..  give it a little time...

You will be whining about how cold it is and how that will kill the oceans and all the sea life soon enough.

In the meantime..  enjoy the nice weather we have been having.   and....

Pray they don't waste trillions of dollars and ruin already fragile economies on this hoax.

lazs

Yes, and as usual you only read half of what is said.

It's the accumulation of local events that indicate climate effect.  This latest collapse is one of many.  Remember the big one, Larsen B?  That has been surrounded by repeated collapses of "old ice" and this is the latest example. 

BTW... I wish you were right about the cooling.  Cold water is extremely good for the ocean.  It allows for much higher productivity, due to it's increased O2 capacity.

[Hornet33]

Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is NOTHING we can do about global warming. If humans are causing the climate to change it's because there are too many humans on this rock. You want to talk about CO2 levels? They've what...doubled in the last 20-30 years?? Well so has the population on this planet. See a connection??
Nature will take care of itself. Once the climate reaches a critical stage, something will happen and most of the people on this planet will die and that will be a good thing for the climate and all will return to normal.

Until that happens I'm going to do everything I can to speed it up. I hate crowds.