The people's republic of california expands the bans on lead projectiles

[Elfie]

Sounds like to me they need to actually identify the source of the lead and then take action instead of just assuming it comes from hunters.

[lazs2]

condors are too stupid to live.. we are playing god with nature.   

Hevi shot is more expensive but.. face it.. not a big deal if you use a box all year to hunt.. you can still use lead to skeet shoot.   TMJ bullets will still be allowed.. lead that is covered totally by some jacket.

I reload..  I don't buy ammo..  bullets for handguns can be made from wheel weights and scrap lead of which there is countless tons in kalifornia just lying on the roads and everywhere.   For rifles..  I use full metal jacket for the most part anyway...military surplus or cheap FMJ slugs to reload.

But yes.. it is another shot by the gun grabbers who lie awake nigthts thinking of ways to make life harder on gun owners.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Of course in Idaho we pass laws that make gun ownership a requirement

(Greenleaf is about 20 miles west of here) "Ordinance 208, passed by the City Council on Tuesday, asks Greenleaf's 862 residents who do not object on religious or other grounds to keep a gun at home in case they are overrun by refugees from the Gulf Coast."

[AKIron]

Of course in Idaho we pass laws that make gun ownership a requirement

(Greenleaf is about 20 miles west of here) "Ordinance 208, passed by the City Council on Tuesday, asks Greenleaf's 862 residents who do not object on religious or other grounds to keep a gun at home in case they are overrun by refugees from the Gulf Coast."

Don't know why they object to refugees from New Orleans since by letting Kalifornians in it's obvious they have no standards. 

[midnight Target]

Yea, but they stopped me at the border to ensure I was armed.

[Toad]

...and being a Californian, MT promptly rolled up his sleeves to show them he was in fact "well armed" due to all the time in the gym and on the beach.

[Leek]

Of course in Idaho we pass laws that make gun ownership a requirement

(Greenleaf is about 20 miles west of here) "Ordinance 208, passed by the City Council on Tuesday, asks Greenleaf's 862 residents who do not object on religious or other grounds to keep a gun at home in case they are overrun by refugees from the Gulf Coast."

LOL, I freakin love it! I work offshore for a living, and was a part of the mass confusion evacuating Southern Louisianna. As a Houstonian, I have seen what the aftermath has done to the Houston area. I wouldn't blame you one bit for arming yourself. Just make sure you shoot lead free bullets, in case a wandering condor happens by.

[midnight Target]

...and being a Californian, MT promptly rolled up his sleeves to show them he was in fact "well armed" due to all the time in the gym and on the beach.

I'm assuming Rude, ygsmeylo and Stringer were awed by my presence and filled you in...

[SIG220]

the ammo makers are ahead of the curve, they already make lead free ammo.

Not for all types or calibers of hunting ammo.

The replacements are sometimes inferior in performance, or prohibitively expensive.

You have any idea what tungsten, copper, and nickel are selling for these days??

There was a very valid scientific reason for outlawing lead shot for waterfowl hunting.    There is no valid reason for these new bans.

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[SIG220]

The next step will be to outlaw gun powder due to quail and pheasant dieing of powder burns.

These expensive hi-tech non-toxic replacements do have their drawbacks, besides just their very high cost ( often as high as $2 a shell or even more ).

I tried using the Hevishot brand of non-toxic shotgun shells on a Chukar hunt ( Chukar is sort of a large quail, native to Pakistan, but now living wild in many western states ) once, due to all the hype about how powerful it is.

Well, this tungsten-nickel alloy shot is actually way heavier than lead, so it penetrated much more and did a lot more damage to the bird.   Plus, the shot was so hard that it made the pellet pattern far more tight and dense than normal, even though I had an open Improved Cylinder choke installed in my Beretta shotgun.

I had a chukar flush at my feet, and I actually held off shooting for awhile, to allow for some distance to open up between us.   But when I fired, the Hevishot pattern was so dense, it literally destroyed the bird.   The head and legs were actually blown off.   The only recognizable part left of the bird was its tail, which was still intact.   But all that the tail was still attached to was a gooey mess.

http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/hunting/?action=view&current=chukar_email2.jp

Anyway, I was unhappy with the way that this ammo performed.  We simply had to throw what little was left of the bird away.

Unfortunately, our bird guide could not stop laughing when he saw what I had done.   He told me that he had never seen a client do anything like that before.   I was really embarassed.   

Lead still remains the best material to use when making bullets or pellets.

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[SIG220]

so the ban is not affecting california shooters all that much?

If the ban is extended state wide, then it most definitely will.

There is some wild hog hunting done in those areas.   And also some varmint hunting of coyotes and California Ground Squirrels.

Deer hunting in California has dropped off greatly, ever since cougar hunting was outlawed in the state.   So many hunters have thus taken up wild hog hunting.

The state is now overrun with Cougars.   But they are now considered to be a sacred cow there, that is untouchable for hunting.


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[lazs2]

sig... sounds like the hevi shot is better in every way.   It also sounds like the fault is the gun and you and not the shot.

Not to blame you or the gun but..  it will take time to figure out how best to use it.   If open cyl works better with hevi shot than full choke with lead.. then so be it.. we will learn.    being heavier and having denser patterns is not a bad thing.

I killed a boar with a 240 grain cast (from wheel weights) 44 mag slug.. there was no expansion but good penetration..  I would have been just as well served with a copper solid.   I would practice with lead and hunt with non lead if I still hunted.

sure.. it is a scam by the gun grabbers but it is not a crippling blow.. just one more cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" tactic that they are using on us and one more reason to become more independent of factory ammo..

learn to reload eveyone.. join the NRA everyone... take a new non gun person out every chance you get and show em what a great time firearms are.   Real firearms.. not movie ones.. teach em to respect the guns while having a good time and we will never be in danger of losing our rights.

I have NEVER taken anyone out shooting who did not have a good time and who did not become an ally for gun rights to some extent.   Any change in their position was always a positive one for gun owners rights.   


lazs

[Elfie]

I have NEVER taken anyone out shooting who did not have a good time and who did not become an ally for gun rights to some extent.

Are you forgetting Beet1e? He went shooting with you iirc and he still seemed pretty anti gun.

[Jackal1]

Are you forgetting Beet1e? He went shooting with you iirc and he still seemed pretty anti gun.

That`s just Beetless.................the U.S. Empire jealousy thingie and all.
He also stated here on these boards that he had a good time..........but Bingie could probably straighten this all out .

[Holden McGroin]

All kinds of insane reasons were given for making the law, mainly claiming that lead bullets were killing off the endangered Condor population.   

In my region, steel shot has been the norm for waterfowl hunting for quite some time.

I fail to see how steel shot wouldn't be effective for hunting condors.