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Offline john9001

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2008, 11:08:05 AM »
the job of the police is to protect and serve the citizens that hired them.

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2008, 11:15:19 AM »
You have shown time and time again your blind loyalty to the LEO Brotherhood. Instead of giving you credibility as a LEO or former LEO, (like Maverick and others have) it actually discredits your opinion.

I'd bet the farm that you are one of those officers that never *rats out* another officer no matter how wrong they were.

                          Now what on earth are you babbling about? Before this thread I didn't even know you existed so its a little strange that you should think you know me that well. :huh

                          Unless you were on the scene or are part of the investigation then you dont know what happened there. I dont care how close you live to the place or what papers you have read. There is a process that plays out and that will come to its conclusions.

                         Even my good Pal Elfie should allow that. The guy I grew up with and has been by my side the entire 25 years Ive been on the street. :lol

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2008, 11:23:17 AM »
                          Now what on earth are you babbling about? Before this thread I didn't even know you existed so its a little strange that you should think you know me that well. :huh

                          Unless you were on the scene or are part of the investigation then you dont know what happened there. I dont care how close you live to the place or what papers you have read. There is a process that plays out and that will come to its conclusions.

                         Even my good Pal Elfie should allow that. The guy I grew up with and has been by my side the entire 25 years Ive been on the street. :lol

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2008, 11:43:53 AM »
                          Now what on earth are you babbling about? Before this thread I didn't even know you existed so its a little strange that you should think you know me that well. :huh

                          Unless you were on the scene or are part of the investigation then you dont know what happened there. I dont care how close you live to the place or what papers you have read. There is a process that plays out and that will come to its conclusions.

                         Even my good Pal Elfie should allow that. The guy I grew up with and has been by my side the entire 25 years Ive been on the street. :lol

                          Good ole Elfie. :O

Now you are just being ridiculous.

Your responses in these types of threads are very predictable and rarely offer any true insight.
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2008, 12:26:35 PM »
                Unless you were on the scene or are part of the investigation then you dont know what happened there. I dont care how close you live to the place or what papers you have read. There is a process that plays out and that will come to its conclusions.


The only problem with this is that it appears that there was no investigation...   :rolleyes:
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2008, 01:18:51 PM »
It is possible the cop had his head through the door panel and the guy shot "through the door" into his body. Especially if the shooter was at an angle to the door rather than perpendicular to it. It would be technically correct to say he shot through the door but that's certainly not the same thing as shooting at someone beyond an intact door.
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2008, 02:15:45 PM »
Man, this all sounds freakishly familiar to a case we had here locally back in 1995:

http://www.napil.com/PersonalInjuryCaseLawDetail64293/Page1.htm

"The deputies entered the unlocked back door of the residence using the knock and announce procedure. Reding went in first and saw Thomas Eggleston, Eggleston's father, on the couch in the living room. Bananola followed and turned down a hallway. As Reigle prepared to follow Bananola, gunfire erupted. Reigle saw Bananola heading toward the front door of the residence in a low position. Reigle then saw Linda Eggleston open a door into the kitchen and look at him. He heard Thomas Eggleston tell her to put the gun down."

Was a crappy deal for all involved.
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2008, 02:40:33 PM »
Now you are just being ridiculous.

Your responses in these types of threads are very predictable and rarely offer any true insight.

                  Elfie your an A-typical internet cop thread troll. And this is the A-typical Internet cop thread troll thread. Of all the A-typicals the "no knock/ninja dress thread" ones are the worst. I usually avoid them but when some fool opened his mouth about this LEO getting killed I couldnt help myself.

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2008, 02:44:29 PM »
I would like to say that my point is that no one on either side of these things needs to get killed for the most part.   It is bad no matter who gets killed in a senseless and poorly thought out raid such as this.

I just don't think that they are justified in most cases.

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2008, 03:30:28 PM »
Gee guys, I do stand corrected- death to the pigs and all that, right? After all, every cop out there is a power mad abuser of his authority, so this guy got exactly what he deserved! Why, how DARE he show up for his shift, put on his Kevlar and go serve a warrant on a suspected drug dealer! After all, it's the individual cops who decide if it's a no knock warrant or not, right?

Like I said- I do stand corrected. Any time a cop gets killed in the line of duty we need to start a thred rejoicing in the fact there is one less cop out there who might violate our rights. Sheeesus, man- some of you guys are a real piece of...work. I can see now it's going to actually take an effort on my part to keep from violating my parolee status in the face of - I don't know what you'd call it- so much convoluted logic, insinsitivity and ignorance.

I was watching the Early Show and they were showing a picture of J-Lo's new twin babies- one boy, one girl- and the commentaor on The Early Show asked if the twins were identical or not. It's not even eight AM yet, and between the dumbest question ever asked on The Early Show and the giddiness and downright rejoicing  here over the death of a cop I can tell this is going to be one of those days.

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 The officer in question did make the choice to go the way of a "no-knock" entrance. When a judge signs a search warrant or arrest warrant the judge does not decide how the police officers go about enforcing that said warrant. It is the officers themselves.

 The second part of your rant has holes in it also. The officers in question were reported as being in plain clothes. There are conflicting reports, but it seems as if these officers acted on their warrant prior to uniformed officers providing back up.

 Third, prior to even getting the warrant in the first place, they should have investigated their CI's claims. They could have ran that address though their system to see if it comes up with any other hits. Had they done this they would have seen the house was burglarized just days before. They could have contacted the responded officer and got more "intel" on the house and the occupants. Since there was a police report filed there has to be a name attached to that report. The cops in question could have/should have ran that name though their states CIC system and the NCIC system to see if the individual in question has any prior arrests or warrants.

 Forth, if deciding to move forward with the warrant, they should have had unformed officers or a tactical team enter first. Kicking someones door in, in the middle of the night with jeans and a t-shirt on with a badge around your neck is not proof enough that you are in fact an officer of the law.

 Had they done these things one of them might still be alive today. The bottom line is, these officers made a chain of errors that night that ended up with one of them on a metal table. Pointing out that these officers made some really stupid decisions in a short period of time is not cop hating or rejoicing in someones death. It is pointing out the cold hard truth of the situation. The cops screwed up and now an innocent civilian is going to pay the ultimate price because these officers refuse to admit they were wrong. Just because they are police officers does not mean they should get a pass or have their mistakes over looked.

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2008, 04:19:27 PM »
                  Elfie your an A-typical internet cop thread troll. And this is the A-typical Internet cop thread troll thread. Of all the A-typicals the "no knock/ninja dress thread" ones are the worst. I usually avoid them but when some fool opened his mouth about this LEO getting killed I couldnt help myself.

                  If your so fascinated with police stuff, or think you can do better, Dept.'s across the country are hiring.

A-typical response from you. Try to turn things around on the other person and act like there is no way they could understand cop stuff w/o actually being one. Get over yourself.

Facts in this case, there was NO investigation prior to obtaining a no knock warrant.

Fact, way to many people die in no knock raids.

Am I against them? You damn right I am.
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2008, 04:54:30 PM »
Third, prior to even getting the warrant in the first place, they should have investigated their CI's claims. They could have ran that address though their system to see if it comes up with any other hits. Had they done this they would have seen the house was burglarized just days before.

One has to wonder if the 'CI' actually 'informed' when in fact being questioned about the burglary.

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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2008, 06:47:49 PM »
That's the type of plant the CI reportedly mistook for pot when he burglerized the home.  Japanese maple.





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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2008, 06:59:07 PM »
That's the type of plant the CI reportedly mistook for pot when he burglerized the home.  Japanese maple.

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It's also a tree....of sorts.....not sure how to link the image, so I'll just link the wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_palmatum

Notice the different types, some have leaves that are very similar to marijuana leaves but the plants the leaves grow on bare no resemblence to marijuana plants. The Bonsai trees of Karate Kid fame fall into this family of plants.
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Re: Paramilitary police tactics misfire again
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2008, 08:06:23 PM »
More botched raids from over the years.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/index.php?type=1
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