AR-15 Sales up 50% in Idaho Falls over last year

[Guppy35]

Just my opinion of course, but I just don't see the mood of the country supporting anything like that Toad.  Again, maybe it's just me, but with things the way they are in the world, I think folks are a little less secure in the future, and anything that would real or imagined take away from being able to feel like they could protect themselves, would be a sure fire way to lose.

I probably lean more left of center then right on most things, but I think it's a pointless thing to try and legislate.  The guns aren't going away, and I don't want to give mine up either.  I just don't see it happening.  Too many other things on the agenda that need to be dealt with that matter.

[Holden McGroin]

You guys crack me up.  At what point regardless of administration have you not had the opportunity to own an AR-15 in the past 25-30 years. 

Especially since presidents don't write laws.

[Toad]

Nope, Presidents appoint Supreme Court justices that interpret the law in cases like Heller vs DC.

So you can have an anti like Obama appointing the SC justices and that will adversely affect SC gun cases for literally decades.

[LTARGlok]

Especially since presidents don't write laws.

No, but they can easily VETO laws.   The current Democrat controlled Congress knows that they could never get any major gun controls past while Bush is still in office.

Although even Bush was in favor of bringing back the previous Assault Gun law ( and the ban on new sales of high capacity magazines that was part of it ).   But the Republicans controlled the Congress when it expired, and they would have nothing to do with renewing it.   And the Democrats are smart enough to not do anything to make gun owners mad now during an election year.   Instead, they will wait until next year when they will have a Democratic President willing to sign off on much more extensive gun controls.

The best way to control guns is to grip them firmly:

[GtoRA2]

What this really shows is people in idaho have bad taste in firearms lol.

[Guppy35]

No, but they can easily VETO laws.   The current Democrat controlled Congress knows that they could never get any major gun controls past while Bush is still in office.

Although even Bush was in favor of bringing back the previous Assault Gun law ( and the ban on new sales of high capacity magazines that was part of it ).   But the Republicans controlled the Congress when it expired, and they would have nothing to do with renewing it.   And the Democrats are smart enough to not do anything to make gun owners mad now during an election year.   Instead, they will wait until next year when they will have a Democratic President willing to sign off on much more extensive gun controls.

The best way to control guns is to grip them firmly:

So instead they'll do something unpopular and lose control of the congress in their 2nd year of a new president.  They're smart enough not to do it now, but in their quest to do dumb stuff they'll do it the next year.  You don't think anyone learned any thing from that 'ban' previously?  It was pointless other then driving up gun prices and made them look like idiots while getting the gun owners shorts in a bunch and it cost them.  Why would they do it again?  It is hardly a high priority issue right now.

Toad, how many SC seats do you suppose will come up in the next 4 years?  I'm thinking it's fairly set for a while now.  All Bush, Reagan appointees outside of 2 from Clinton and 1 from Ford.

[Holden McGroin]

Nope, Presidents appoint Supreme Court justices that interpret the law in cases like Heller vs DC.

So you can have an anti like Obama appointing the SC justices and that will adversely affect SC gun cases for literally decades.

With the advice and consent of...

The President nominates someone who he thinks that the senate might just confirm.

[FrodeMk3]

One change Obama really believes in is more gun control.


Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.

About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law."

As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.

On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business.

On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).

And Obama of course came out in favor of the DC hangun ban in Heller vs DC.
 "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional." (James Oliphant and
Michael J. Higgins, "Court To Hear Gun Case," Chicago Tribune, 11/20/07

There's change acomin' and you can believe that. It just won't be change for the better. Enjoy!

Hey Toad, how are the Emergency powers' amendment to HR 5441 considered anti-gun? The way you've worded it, they certainly look pro-gun to me...

[Toad]

That's about Obama's only pro-gun vote since he has been in the Senate. I put it in there before one of his defenders showed up to prove that his one pro-gun vote out weighs his many, many anti-gun votes.

Only 16 Senators voted against that amendment; it is suprising that Obama didn't make it 17 given his voting history. It's noteworthy, even.

We're fair and balanced here in the O-Club, you know.

[lasersailor184]

Common sense gun laws aren't.

[midnight Target]

What this really shows is people in idaho have bad taste in firearms lol.

I don't think so...

I'm pretty sure we support firearm diversity.

[lasersailor184]

Support Affirmative Action for Black Rifles!

[Toad]

Toad, how many SC seats do you suppose will come up in the next 4 years?  I'm thinking it's fairly set for a while now.  All Bush, Reagan appointees outside of 2 from Clinton and 1 from Ford.

I think a minimum of two. Stevens is 87. Ginsburg is 75,  Scalia 72, Kennedy 71. I think Stevens retires for sure with an ultra liberal like Obama to pick his replacement and a Senate controlled by the Democrats to confirm the replacement. I think Ginsburg will jump at that opportunity as well. Scalia will hang on to the bitter end in this event. Kennedy may or may not retire in 4; I think it could go either way.

Then there's the unknowns; didn't take Rehnquist but 11 months between diagnosis and death. Any one of the present justices is old enough to get an unpleasant surprise in the way of serious illness.

If Obama gets 8 years as seems to be the new American trend, all bets are off. He could be appointing anywhere from 2-6 justices the way things go.

[lasersailor184]

Just so you guys know, there is no set number of supreme court justices.  Any president if they so please could add on another 25 if they wished it.

[Toad]

Laser, Congress sets the number.