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Offline wrag

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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 05:36:30 PM »
Well, I hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


In short, I'm a libertarian with a strong belief in State's Rights and a conviction that, sadly, today's Federal government has far more power than it was ever intended to hold.

I'm drifting ever closer to the opinion that our present Federal government has become destructive of these ends.


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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 08:01:20 PM »
i would have to say .... Independent American  :salute
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2008, 03:51:41 AM »
And here you have evidence of how polls are directed and pigeon holed.
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2008, 04:00:58 AM »
I have a wide (political) stance  :eek:
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2008, 04:03:41 AM »
Buffalo?
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2008, 08:01:40 AM »
Toads description is as good as any for my beliefs.   Better said than any test.

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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2008, 08:12:50 PM »
I'm a libertarian. Liberty means that one owns oneself. In the US we do not own ourselfs, the 16th amendment procludes this. It's sort of like a pimp and 'ho relationship, if an empoyer wants to use our body he has to give a cut to uncle sam. And if we want to earn money we have to give a cut to uncle sam also, because uncle sam owns us. Maybe the motto of the IRS should be "squeak bettah have my money!"

The same can be said of property in the US. Nobody owns land in the US except uncle sam, we just rent it from him. Don't believe me? Stop paying the rent and see what happens.

The US is a fiefdom, just like every other country.

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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2008, 08:24:37 PM »
SO what you're saying is that slavery was never abolished, just made more egalitarian?
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2008, 08:31:03 PM »
Yes and no. It was legally abolished for awhile, 1863 to 1913.

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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2008, 08:48:48 PM »
See Rules #7, #5
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2008, 09:00:31 PM »
#4 with a twist
very much what i think of myself as is a fiscal conservative/social liberal, with a big dose of states rights
and a burning desire to vote into power anyone who would be for lessoning the gov's. power over our daily lives and bank acounts i also think that the gov should not be mixed in with the church on marriage, as this is a church area, they instead should be into the binding contract between two people that results from marriage. to do this they would have to change the tax code to not allow benifits for married people thus eliminating there need to decide weather it is between a man and a woman or two women.(not that i care why gay people want to get married, i just dont like tax money being spent to say it is okay, or not ok too do so, it is none of my bussiness)  they need to do away with sin tax,because of the church and state thing as well, what right do they have too tell me what a sin is unless they had guidance from the church? i also think that the gov. stance on drivers licences is very wrong in that they say it is a privalige not a right to drive yet in this day and age most of the country cant get anywere without someone haveing to drive! just because it was not covered in the constitution 200 + years ago does not mean it is not the right of the people to move freely about the country!
there are alot of things no candidate or party can help me with but alass i must support one or the other until a better one comes along!
our gov. is not perfect and no candidate exist's that will suit my #4 with a twist, so i will vote McCain, and hope the next time we get to vote we will have better choices!
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2008, 09:08:17 PM »
#4 with a twist
very much what i think of myself as is a fiscal conservative/social liberal, with a big dose of states rights
and a burning desire to vote into power anyone who would be for lessoning the gov's. power over our daily lives and bank acounts i also think that the gov should not be mixed in with the church on marriage, as this is a church area, they instead should be into the binding contract between two people that results from marriage. to do this they would have to change the tax code to not allow benifits for married people thus eliminating there need to decide weather it is between a man and a woman or two women.(not that i care why gay people want to get married, i just dont like tax money being spent to say it is okay, or not ok too do so, it is none of my bussiness)  they need to do away with sin tax,because of the church and state thing as well, what right do they have too tell me what a sin is unless they had guidance from the church? i also think that the gov. stance on drivers licences is very wrong in that they say it is a privalige not a right to drive yet in this day and age most of the country cant get anywere without someone haveing to drive! just because it was not covered in the constitution 200 + years ago does not mean it is not the right of the people to move freely about the country!
there are alot of things no candidate or party can help me with but alass i must support one or the other until a better one comes along!
our gov. is not perfect and no candidate exist's that will suit my #4 with a twist, so i will vote McCain, and hope the next time we get to vote we will have better choices!

Word. If I can bring myself to vote this year I'll write in Ron Paul. For the rest of the offices I'll vote libertarian, if not an option I'll abstain.

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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2008, 09:30:18 PM »
The unfortunate flaw of democracy is that it is dependant on the dispassionate cognitive ability of the voter. Most people do not possess this. Over half of all adults never cognitively mature. Most people arrive at decisions bassackwards, their emotions dictate their choice and then they rationalize their decision, we see this all over this forum. Indeed studies show that most voters decide based on emotional influence. Politicians know this, that's why they allways blabber inane soundbites that are engineered to push emotional buttons. Also this is why Ron Paul was not popular, he tried to appeal to the voter's intellect using logic. Furthermore, most people do not trust their own cognitive abilities. If you explain some libertarian or constitutional standpoints to them they might reluctantly acknowledge that it makes sense, but then they'll say something like "yeah... but.. nah that's just crazy, you can't abolish fedral income tax." Logic is a truth that requires no searching, they can plainly see it, but they don't trust their own thinking, they defer that to the television.

Untill the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of national democracy will continue to disappoint.



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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2008, 09:14:07 AM »
I thought Ron Paul would have been a super candidate! and on the dem. side Bill Richardson
but as you say people dont always pick the best choice for the job!
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Re: Your political stance
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2008, 04:11:22 PM »
The unfortunate flaw of democracy is that it is dependant on the dispassionate cognitive ability of the voter. Most people do not possess this. Over half of all adults never cognitively mature. Most people arrive at decisions bassackwards, their emotions dictate their choice and then they rationalize their decision, we see this all over this forum. Indeed studies show that most voters decide based on emotional influence. Politicians know this, that's why they allways blabber inane soundbites that are engineered to push emotional buttons. Also this is why Ron Paul was not popular, he tried to appeal to the voter's intellect using logic. Furthermore, most people do not trust their own cognitive abilities. If you explain some libertarian or constitutional standpoints to them they might reluctantly acknowledge that it makes sense, but then they'll say something like "yeah... but.. nah that's just crazy, you can't abolish fedral income tax." Logic is a truth that requires no searching, they can plainly see it, but they don't trust their own thinking, they defer that to the television.

Untill the majority of humans can subordinate their nature to logic, the product of national democracy will continue to disappoint.




Yep good thing we don't have one....................
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.