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Offline mike254

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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 07:11:14 PM »
How would you do that though? There are plenty of guns in game that need to be reloaded, like the MG17's on the Ju88, and the MG34 pintle guns on German tanks.

Ummm.. So do it to all of them.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2008, 11:40:01 AM »
Ummm.. So do it to all of them.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2008, 04:02:00 PM »
                          Personally Im paying to shoot and kill things. Not to wait for cartoon load times.

Really, then I want insta reload for my tiger, shermy, panzer IV, T-34, M8, B-25h main gun and heavy guns on ships/shore bats.
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 12:16:47 AM »
Really, then I want insta reload for my tiger, shermy, panzer IV, T-34, M8, B-25h main gun and heavy guns on ships/shore bats.

You can instantly change ammo type instead.
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 05:22:44 PM »
You can instantly change ammo type instead.


Yea cus HE is sooooo effective against tigers. :rolleyes:
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 09:14:08 PM »
                          Personally Im paying to shoot and kill things. Not to wait for cartoon load times.
This is a WWII flight combat simulator... so your paying for the wrong thing... Give Battlefield 1942 a shot! :aok
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 09:37:08 PM »
First, I do not think a perk price is justified. Fighting vs a single Wirbel only needs a change of player tactics. It's too vulnerable to justify any perking. Sure it will be the most used AA vehicle by a big margin, but that alone isn't enough - Due to that logic, Ostwind would had to be perked long ago when almost no one upped a M16.

However, it is much more capable vs fighters and enemy towns, so having the same 25 ENY as the Ostwind is just not right

Actually, I think the biggest impact on gameplay is currently still going onder the radar of most players. It's (as I already pointed) out its efficency as a very efficient horde tool vs enemy towns. I did a few tests and computations:

The Wirbelwind is 3 times more powerful vs towns than the Ostwind!

A Ostwind does the equivalent to 39lbs of ordonance vs structures per second (2.5 rounds à 15.6lbs)
A Wirbelwind does the equivalent of 120lbs per second! (30 rounds à 4lbs)

Where 2 Ostwinds would in theory need 3.89 mins to take down all 56 buildings of a town, two Wirbelwinds can do the same in 1.29mins.
(Practical numbers are somewhat higher in both cases, but the ratio is still the same)

A few squads (the usual suspects of course ;)) have already noted this and started to do some very quick gv rushes on enemy bases. When a town is far away enough from the airfield so that the base alarm doesn't go off, it's often impossible to spot & stop these sneak attacks before it's over. In fact, they are much more effective than those so dreaded NOE basegrab missions.

Therefore, it is my opinion and humble wish, that due to it's better overall performance, the WW ENY value is lowered to 15. When numbers get unbalanced, it should fall under the same restrictions as Typhoons, 110G's, N1Ks or 190Ds


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(Of course HTC could just adjust ROF restrictions or turret rotation speed in accordance to real life numbers and leave ENY at 25 ;))

I agree with most of what you said here.   However, regarding people not noticing that only a town is flashing, I would dispute you about that.   Good players pay attention to such details.   So if you are up against any sort of decent opposition, it is definitely going to be noticed, and not overlooked as you imply.   And since Wirbelwinds only go 25mph, there is still plenty of time to up defense to intercept them before they reach the town.

So even though I am a LTAR, I would say that a well run NOE base grab using bombers for the town is still the fastest way to take down a town and capture a base, from a practical standpoint.  Pulling that off takes real organization and teamwork, though.   Three decent buff pilots can down a town in a single pass.  All the fighters in the mission can then intercept any uppers from the field and act as a buffer, while the troops are brought in.

The turret rotation speed on the Wirbel is better than what the Osti has, and probably not realistic.   However, I cannot support any negative changes to the Wirbelwind, as doing that would be heresy for any LTAR to do.   

And I do not wish to be excommunicated.   :D :D

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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 10:11:40 PM »
I got 14 GV perks for 3 planes kills in the WW. So put me down as one who thinks the ENY ought to be lowered. I love the WW for forcing the air war up into the AIR, not NOE or right over the runway, but I don't think manning a WW ought to be a super-easy way to buy time in a Tiger or Sherman.

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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2008, 12:39:12 AM »
Yea cus HE is sooooo effective against tigers. :rolleyes:

Exactly.
So if you shooting at M3 with HEs and see tiger, you can instantly change to AP instead of:
1) choose AP round
2) shot previously loaded HE somewhere
3) wait until AP round loaded
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2008, 05:32:56 AM »
Exactly.
So if you shooting at M3 with HEs and see tiger, you can instantly change to AP instead of:
1) choose AP round
2) shot previously loaded HE somewhere
3) wait until AP round loaded

Most tankers actually remove the HE round and just put in a Sabot.  Skips the firing step...  Plus it makes more sense... :P
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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2008, 08:18:30 AM »
This is a WWII flight combat simulator... so your paying for the wrong thing... Give Battlefield 1942 a shot! :aok

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Re: Yet another Wirbel request: No perk, but lower ENY
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2008, 02:23:40 AM »
I was reading this and had to laugh!!!
Its said that the WW was replaced by the OW because of better gun balistics against aircraft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirbelwind
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