Only one thing to add,
If you try this vertical maneuver you better make sure you have quite a bit more E than the spit16. I have been in a few such situations with 38's and have won. I was at d200-400, full flaps, when I fired. So the move isn't bullet proof ... lol...
But I'm not sure which way the 38 was turning when I got them so that might have been a factor.
Bottom line was the 38 misread my E state, I had just enough to get them. Pretty fun stuff, win or loose!
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