P38 maneuverability data

[Citabria]

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/001363.html

scroll down through the uninformative stuff till you get to badboy's info on the real P-38 vs AH P-38.

very interesting  

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[RAM]

Yawn

 

[BUG_EAF322]

To bad no reactions from HTC yet  

[Jimdandy]

 

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322:
To bad no reactions from HTC yet  

Does the HT staff read all of these posts?

[Vermillion]

Yes Jim, I can assure you that most if not all the people at HTC read the boards religiously.

They will respond if they feel it is necessary or waranted.

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[GunfighterIII]

Here is some more sites to read concerning the P-38
 http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/index.html

 http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38.html
 http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38-2.html
 http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38-3.html


Hope this helps

von Gunn

[Animal]

Interesting read Gunfighter.

Would you imagine how the P-38 would have performed with Merlin XX engines?

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 Perk it.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Animal:
Interesting read Gunfighter.

Would you imagine how the P-38 would have performed with Merlin XX engines?

More or less like the Fw190 adapted with DB603 engine (Ta152-C)...in late 1943

Or a Fw190D9...in 1942  

[GunfighterIII]

Im not quite sure of all the discrepancies involved in the AH version of the 38.  I don't fly it much personlly, seeing as I am a luftwaffe type. But I did take it up once and proceeded to get an engine shot out.  Now being a pilot myself, I expected the need to correct with rudder to counter the thrust produced by the good engine and the increased drag of the dead one.  But to my amazement, I didn't, she flew straight and level with one engine spinning wide open and the other just along for the ride.  I did notice that under 120 IAS did I need to start correcting for the lack of the engine, but even then it didn't take much.

GFIII
aka
Otto von Gunn

[BBGunn]

Quite a discussion to say the least. One observation that seemed to be overlooked in the other thread is that if it weren't for the P38 the Pacific war would have lasted much longer.  It is a fact that P38's were used to shoot down more Japanese AC than any other type, so calling it a "piece of crap" is pure hyperbole".  All AC go through developmental stages and the P38's was initially very long because a certain B. Kelsey crashed the only XP-38 in existence so that the program had to start over again.  Also consider the fact that the P38 was originally intended to be an interceptor to defend the US against enemy bomber raids.  It was not really intended to be a fighter vs fighter ship but it exceeded its design specs in speed and got attention quickly.  Since the 38 was designed and tested mostly in sunny California not all the cold weather bugs surfaced until it got used in europe.  I have a personal acquaintence who served as a mechanic in the PTO and always said that "we were dammed lucky to get the Lockheed and get rid of those Bell aircows" (P39's) as he called them.  Also remember what P38 pilots did to axis air transport in the mediteranean.  P38's escorted the Japanese officials to the surrender ceremony at IoShima and may have been the first allied AC to set down on the Japanese mainland as well.  Also remember that the military bureaucracy works (yes sometimes it even works) in strange ways and that the military training program for the P38 was not what either Milo Burcham or Tony LeVier at Lockheed recommended.  This is one reason why Charles Lindburg went to the Pacific to fly P38's and F4U's-he new the military manuals were screwed up.  As for the P38 in AH it could probably could use some tweeking when flying on one engine and the fowler flaps should create more lift probably, but its still fun to fly.

[RAM]

in a nation of people with two eyes, a man with one eye is half blind

In an ation of people with no eyes, that same man would be god.

You simply cant take the figures of a plane that mostly fighted Zekes ,Nates, and Oscars with the occasional Tojo,tony and in the latest days, Shiden-Kais and Ki-84s, with those who fought a TO with Fw190As ,190D9s, 109Gs, etc.



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[StSanta]

Nice ram  

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[Jigster]

Just a note, the cold weather of Europe effecting the P-38 is a just a myth. Altitude, yes, weather, no.

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[Dune]

AAhhh....yes.  The famous, "The P-38 only excelled against Zekes and Ki 43's.  It totally sucked against the LW".

Everyone who says this seems to forget that 3 FG's flew them in the MTO against units (and sub-units of) such as JG 27, JG 51, JG 53 and JG 77.  And they flew against them beginning in 43.

Groups like the 1st FG, 14th FG and the 82nd FG more than held their own. The 1st FG (operational Nov 42) scored 440 kills and had 19 aces. The 14th FG (oper. Nov 42) had 17 aces. The 82nd FG (oper. Jan 43) scored 594 kills and had 24 aces in its ranks. In fact the 82nd FG held the ETO/MTO record for kills until early 45.  These 3 FG's continued to fly the -38 until the end of the war.


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