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Offline StSanta

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« on: October 21, 2000, 04:18:00 PM »
AAR as follows:

First of all, let me say this high altitude bullsh|t is just that - bullsh|t. P-38's, Typhoons, Spitfires at over 31k. How are A5's gonna have any chance of engaging? How will A8's do the same? The 109's fair a
little better, but are ineffective above 25k. I seriously hope we get a max ceiling of 20k, which enables us to actually fight BACK.

We CAN fight, and we WILL fight, as we've showed in the two earlier frames. But under these conditions, we were *constantly* on the defensive with only a 20 second window of attack opportunity. And
a bad one at that. Anway, enough whining, here's the AAR.

We took off from A17, headed for A16 for defense. No incoming enemies were spotted. 109's were in trouble with literally dozens of very high enmy P-38's and Spitfires, as well as 30k Typhoons. We
were vectored for intercept.

Arriving at the scene, we found very high P-38's. Nothing 190's can do with higher enemies this high up, so we headed for a18 were slightly lower Spitfires were reported. In the ensuing battle, RAM
(walkon) was shot down by an enemy P-38. discod managed to shoot down one Spitfire.

At this point in time, there were only 2 109's and the four of us left. discod rtb'd with a pilot injury. The skies were swarming with hi enemies - there were more than 12. All in all, I had one long shot at a
Spitfire at high altitude, but missed due to the extreme range. We rtb'd A18, I covered the other two while they landed, then landed myself. Enemy presense was very severe and we were outnumbered and
out-alted.

We reupped, knowing that only three 190A5's and one or two G6's were now defending Sicily against Allied Typhoons, P-38's and Spitfires, all at very high altitude. Soon enough, we met high P-38's.
Dragged them low to A19, which I at the spur of the moment decided that we would defend. The allies were mikl running our fields in the area with no LW resistence. The P-38's didn't get any good shots
and rtb'd. We pursued one for a short time, but saw high cons inbound, and returned to A19 for ack cover and field defense. The Spits were more aggressive, and managed to shoot furious down. He bailed
and walked to the base. Once co alt, the Spitfires didn't dare to fght us any longer and returned to base. We followed til we got 5 minute warning, rtb'd and landed succesfully.

Scores for SG4:
Pilots:        Status:        Kills:
StSanta     Landed        0
discod       Injured         1
RAM        Bailed          0
furious       Bailed          0
shamus      Landed        0

2 airframes lost, one enemy Spitfire destroyed

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Nath-BDP

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2000, 04:34:00 PM »
I agree with Santa, there needs to be an alt CAP!

Schlachtgeschwader 4 AAR:

We took off from A19 and headed west in 2 rottes (Me and Juuti/Kirin and Maik).
We were going west near A18 when we saw several 30k+ spits when we were at 29k and we decided not to engage them.  We then went towards malta and encountered 30k+ P38s and spits and Juuti went north towards a17 while me, kirin and maik went east towards v50 where we encountered 6 Typhoons (which should be removed). The battle ensued and I dived on one typhoon and got him then I extended and came around and got another ones elevator or flap(I saw something fly off). After this I noticed kirin needed help low so I dived down and shot a tiffie that was on him and I died promply after that from a typhoon d500 off me six, 1 ping and wing gone. Me and Kirin scored our kills on these typhoons.  Juuti shot down 2 B26s attacking 18.

Pilot   Kills   Status
NathBDP 2       Dead/Airframe lost
Juuti   2       Dead/Airframe lost
Kirin   1       Dead/Airframe lost
Maik    0       Returned to base alive.



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Offline LLv34_Camouflage

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2000, 04:38:00 PM »
<S!> Gentlemen!

While still waiting for more reports, I would like to remind you what info is needed from each Axis squadron for the official Med League scoring:

Axis Squadron Summary - REQUIRED

Squad name & CO
Fighter kills
Bomber kills
Strat targets
Airfield captures
V-field captures
Available airframes
Available pilots

Also, if you want to score points towards the medals and awards, you need to submit the following info:


Pilot Score Summary

Pilot name, squadron, CO
Fighter kills/assists
2-Engined Bomber kills/assists
4-Engined Bomber kills/assists
Airfield targets destoyed
Strategic targets destoyed
Field capture
Mission outcome (RTB, KIA, ditched, bailed, captured, etc..)

I will write a thorough report after I have managed to build a picture of today's events.

Thanks for flying, see you again!    

And don't forget to check my Axis Med League page: http://www.hut.fi/u/vpitkane/LLv34/med/

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Offline gatt

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2000, 04:59:00 PM »
StSanta,
I really understand you. My squad has been diverted from defending Southern Sardinia to CAP A7 then to defend western Sicily just to find 32K+ Spitfires and Jugs over A16, while the other (Sicily based) 205's squad was escorting Ju88 attacking A6 (?), just south of Sardinia. Can you believe it?
We switched sides, loosing time and fuel.
Thx to all for the efforts but better check axis CM's staff. Really.



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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2000, 05:21:00 PM »
Squad name & CO Schlachtgeschwader 4 / NathBDP
Fighter kills 3
Bomber kills 2
Strat targets 0
Airfield captures 0
V-field captures 0
Available airframes 6
Available pilots 6


Pilot name, squadron, CO NathBDP /Schlachtgeschwader 4/ NathBDP
Fighter kills/assists 2/0
2-Engined Bomber kills/assists 0/0
4-Engined Bomber kills/assists 0/0
Airfield targets destoyed 0
Strategic targets destoyed 0

Offline Hamish

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2000, 05:46:00 PM »
StSanta: You Never[/i] saw any Typhoons above 20k. Period.

Our Typhoon squad barely got to 20k before engaging any enemy AC.

Thank you for your time.

P.S. Nath: That was me you hit on kirin, you took out my left main fuel tank, and my wingmate Fatty is the one that saved my arse and got you <S!> to you and your squad, was quite a hairy battle


Hamish!

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2000, 06:20:00 PM »
I think that was Maik Hammish.

The guy that I got hits on but didnt kill was coming up after me and then he did a stall in the opposite direction i was heading, I did a low loop and got hits all over cockpit area when he was coming down from his stall out.  I didnt see any fuel leak.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2000, 06:30:00 PM »
 
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The Spits were more aggressive, and managed to shoot furious down. He bailed
and walked to the base. Once co alt, the Spitfires didn't dare to fght us any longer and returned to base. We followed til we got 5 minute warning, rtb'd and landed succesfully. - Santa

That was me  

Your wrong about this though - we didn't leave due to you guys being co-alt. (Why? What do spits have to fear from co-alt FWs?)We woulda nickle and dimed ya all day if we had the chance.   There was 10 minutes to get back from your field allaway over to A18 and I ordered our flight to do just that (landed with under a minute to go).

Consider yourself lucky  

Anyways - I shouldn't jab ya too much over this, you're my FL in Afrika Corps - and I don't want to get assigned to latrine duty  

Good fights all.

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2000, 08:33:00 PM »
hahahahaha Santa, you funny

as Nash pointed out, the spits where recalled to base as time was running out. I know this as I told Nash to head for home, thats my job as CO of the RAF 234 Spitfire squad. and we will fight anybody, any time, any alt. and we will win because god is on our side, he sent me an e-mail letting me know this.  LOL

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2000, 11:04:00 PM »
I engaged enemy.  Had two spits follow me low and I was able to open them. Gained alt to re-engage.  I got disco'ed. Could not re-join the fight.  Sat in tower for 25 minutes! Left and logged off!

Pilots should be able to re-up if they get booted!!  I was disappointed, but that is what happens sometimes.  See ya's all Tuesday!!    

About the Typhoons above 20K.  I was at about 24-25K engaging spits when a group of Typhoons came in to join the scrap from above.  We barely managed to escape. Sox called to disengage and extend to the North toward home.  But from what I could tell there were Typhoons above 20K.  But I really don't care for my squad took on a squad of Spits and a squad of Typhoons, only losing one!  Which is almost a victory in it's self!

I had fun!    Thank You to the CM's!

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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2000, 03:36:00 AM »
Hamish: I didn't say *I* saw Tiffies. I heard reports of superhigh tiffies at 30k. I have (I think) a very long film of it if you wanna see.

wolf, you were RUNNING home to MOMMA you little cowardly sissyfire girlies.

My mother can beat up your father.

BAH.

Heheheh <S!>

We dinnae have much alternative if we wanted to preserve airframes, which I wanted to do since I believe we will have hard ceiling on future frames  . My hope and tactics was to blow through and kill as much as possible, then drag the fight lower and if we're about equal numbers, fight it out even if the enemy had an alt advantage. Then things turned bad, and by the time the Spits got there I was really tired of being on the defensive.

The allieds did an excellent job keeping us on the defensive, constantly swarming us with high fighters. Even intercepts weren't possible (both 90A8's and 190A5's tried intercepting the enemy before they got to alt) because apparently, the allieds had cirle climbed over base to 30k. <Grumble grumble>. Smart, but bad news for hungry 190 drivers  

Oh well. Maybe next time. At least we kept A19.

This was MUCH more fun than a day in the MA.  

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2000, 12:40:00 PM »
Yeah, despite the problems:

 
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This was MUCH more fun than a day in the MA. - StSanta

....says it all.

Baby steps fellas.... we'll get there.