Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists

[moot]

Scream bunk, you mean.

[SkyRock]

Talk about blatant attitudes

Yes, it is that way.   Our mind, as humans, is more prone to intelligent thought, but fear interrupts, and leads us down the  religous path.  Sorry!

[SkyRock]

Science as we see it now is politics in disguise. Scientific method is being used as a shield for people with agendas. I cannot believe how prevelent the "All scientists agree, so it's now scientific fact..." is thrown out when there is no such thing. Science is not an absolute. Science is a tool of humans. It is used in whatever manner someone sees fit. With some things, there can be conclusive results, but with many others it is just a method of supporting an argument (if you know where to pick the data) despite having no real proof.

Hell... they can't even predict the weather and you think they understand the origins of life, the universe and everything.

Although your views are swayed, I appreciate your argument. 

[MORAY37]

I have collected more data in my 15 year reasearch career than most biologists, botanists and paleantologists will ever collect... all to prove things much less significant than the origins of life. There's a reason they're called "soft sciences".

All you have to look at is how wrong they've been shown to be, then "adjusted". All you have to look at are the conlcusions that are drawn from finding a jawbone with 3 teeth in tact.

Usually, I find that those with a career in said area, like RESEARCH... can usually spell it correctly. I'm one of those pidly marine biologists you speak of, who has a research career, that is obviously, a much less noble endeavor than the pseudo soft science you possess.

I never knew a jawbone could have tact, either.

Oh well.  I'm staying far outside of this roundabout.  I'll let Moot carry on this rather interesting conversation with much more tact than what I could muster, for all this idiotic conjecture I see typed up here.  It becomes more obvious that the greater we become as a species, intellectually, the more people will be left behind.  It will be our ultimate undoing.

[SkyRock]

Usually, I find that those with a career in said area, like RESEARCH... can usually spell it correctly. I'm one of those pidly marine biologists you speak of, who has a research career, that is obviously, a much less noble endeavor than the pseudo soft science you possess.

I never knew a jawbone could have tact, either.

Oh well.  I'm staying far outside of this roundabout.  I'll let Moot carry on this rather interesting conversation with much more tact than what I could muster, for all this idiotic conjecture I see typed up here.  It becomes more obvious that the greater we become as a species, intellectually, the more people will be left behind.  It will be our ultimate undoing.

Kinda weird the way  you put it, but I agree, ignorance is evil!

[Mini D]

There's something I teach all of the new scientists that work with me: Be carefull of the way you fingerprint something. Once it is accepted, no matter how incorrect it is, disproving it will be much more work than getting it accepted (even if it was accepted without proof) ever was. Evolution has been accepted and is being taught as fact. It's not going to be "disproven" or "debunked" to anyone that has that ingrained in their psyche. The same is true of creationism. But I've met more "evolutionists" that think their theory is fact than Christians who believe creationism happened exactly the way Genesis describes it.

I'll stick to my belief that order does not evolve from disorder. It is the other way around. Evolution is backwards.

[AKIron]

Usually, I find that those with a career in said area, like RESEARCH... can usually spell it correctly. I'm one of those pidly marine biologists you speak of, who has a research career, that is obviously, a much less noble endeavor than the pseudo soft science you possess.

I never knew a jawbone could have tact, either.

Oh well.  I'm staying far outside of this roundabout.  I'll let Moot carry on this rather interesting conversation with much more tact than what I could muster, for all this idiotic conjecture I see typed up here.  It becomes more obvious that the greater we become as a species, intellectually, the more people will be left behind.  It will be our ultimate undoing.

Says the "scientist" who can't do simple math. We're not talking typos here either but concepts based on significant errors that even us stupid layman can spot.

[MORAY37]

There's something I teach all of the new scientists that work with me: Be carefull of the way you fingerprint something. Once it is accepted, no matter how incorrect it is, disproving it will be much more work than getting it accepted (even if it was accepted without proof) ever was. Evolution has been accepted and is being taught as fact. It's not going to be "disproven" or "debunked" to anyone that has that ingrained in their psyche. The same is true of creationism. But I've met more "evolutionists" that think their theory is fact than Christians who believe creationism happened exactly the way Genesis describes it.

I'll stick to my belief that order does not evolve from disorder. It is the other way around. Evolution is backwards.

Order doesn't evolve from disorder?

Astrophysics really has issues then. We have watched bodies in the solar system, including our own, gain more mass from the outside.  Order from disorder.
Embryology... there's no way a human comes from two cells. It's impossible by your theory.  That would be order from disorder.
Chemistry.... bunk to you.  The entire science is devoted to making order (compounds) from disorder (elements).
Biochemistry...  Same... but with much more complicated organic compounds. Serious order from disorder there.

I could go on, but what's the point.  According to you, basically all science is wrong, simply because you advocate a "Chaos bound universe"  You, by your own admission, begin the argument with a pre-conceived notion which, is EXACTLY what you espouse that everyone else does.  Entropy is related to energy, something you are missing in your ideology.  Ours is not a closed system, and energy is pumped in from the outside, therefore allowing the system to lower it's entropy.  Of course, without E, the system would devolve naturally and entropy would increase.... your theory of devolution would be adequately descriptive here, and there would never have been organic molecules around long enough to make a splash.

But, since, with my own eyes, I can see things walking, swimming, flying and running.... I say you are quite wrong, sir, in your assertions.

[MORAY37]

Says the "scientist" who can't do simple math. We're not talking typos here either but concepts based on significant errors that even us stupid layman can spot.

Wow, long memory of one instance from a 6am post, before i left for work.  Lemme know when you're ready to keep up with some Chi-square tests, I'll be glad to rip you up when that happens.  C U Next Tuesday!

[SkyRock]

There's something I teach all of the new scientists that work with me: Be carefull of the way you fingerprint something. Once it is accepted, no matter how incorrect it is, disproving it will be much more work than getting it accepted (even if it was accepted without proof) ever was. Evolution has been accepted and is being taught as fact. It's not going to be "disproven" or "debunked" to anyone that has that ingrained in their psyche. The same is true of creationism. But I've met more "evolutionists" that think their theory is fact than Christians who believe creationism happened exactly the way Genesis describes it.

I'll stick to my belief that order does not evolve from disorder. It is the other way around. Evolution is backwards.

God help you! 

[potsNpans]

Irreversible complexity is a sound scientific theory that can answer questions logically stronger than evolution can. For instance consider the fact that there are no transitional fossil evidence, if there was the theory of evolution would be called something else. Just think how many failed mutated fossil species that should be around along with subsequent successful mutated fossil evidence. Any one ever hear of the bombardier beetle, though not. Within this creature are organs that contain chemicals that when combined produce an explosive reaction. It uses this as a defense by expelling them at such a precise manner that no harm is done to itself. If any of its mechanism did not function perfectly it would destroy itself and its prodigy. There have been attempts to explain this by evolutionary mutations but this creature raises so many questions and counter arguments to provoke Inquiry. Steins movie demonstrates the true institutional cult of evolution stifling honest investigation. Of course it considers a creator, so does our countries founding documents which would be listed under political science.




God made everything for its contemplated end, and also the wicked for the day of evil (proverbs16:4)

[Saintaw]

ID people should be trampled, then shot.

[myelo]

Hell... they can't even predict the weather and you think they understand the origins of life, the universe and everything.

Biologic evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life or the origins of the universe. It's really hard to take anything you say seriously when you can't even get the basic definitions correct.

[Donzo]

ID people should be trampled, then shot.

Wow!  Why is that?  Do they pose a threat to you and yours?

Thanks for the contribution to the discussion. 

Would this be your example of evolution of the human species?

[storch]

ID people should be trampled, then shot.

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