Aircraft evaluation

[Cajunn]

I have been going over a couple of the Aircraft evaluation programs and web sites and I was looking at some of the comparisons and I think there wrong. First if you look at all the Spitfires I noticed that the show the spit8 and spit16 out turn the Spit9, I think this wrong. I also noticed that they show the LA-7 out turns the LA-5 and I think this is also wrong. If anyone can correct me on this or if I'm reading the comparisons wrong please let me know.


Cajunn

[Anaxogoras]

Do you mean that the tests were accurate but that the models are wrong vs history?  Or that the tests are inaccurate and the game plays differently?

[Cajunn]

http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

Go to this site and test the turn rates of the LA-7 and LA-5....also test the turn rates of the spit 9,8,16, you will notice if I'm reading the test results right for turn rates that it's showing that LA-7 out turns the LA-5 and that the spit 8 & 16 out turn the spit 9. And I was always told the opposite and this is the only ones I have found so for!

Cajunn

[bozon]

Those are sustained turns at very low speeds. Engine power rules.

[angelsandair]

Yep, if you can out run it, you can't outturn it, if you can outturn it, you cant out run it. That could be stated for most planes. 

[MOSQ]

You are correct, the dispalyed results are wrong. I know, I did the testing and gave the data to DokGonzo. The correct results for the Spits are in another thread here.

I've tried contacting Dok but he doen't reply to my emails or the contact on his site.....

From: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,220714.msg2678643.html#msg2678643

Hi Urchin,

Since I did the testing for the data on the site you referenced I'd like to throw in a couple of comments about the data.

You are correct, the website has the wrong data on the full flaps radius for the Spits. The last testing I did was on 11-18-06 with Ver 2.09.1 . Here's what my spreadsheet says for the Spits:

Spit 1 is 471 / 395
Spit 5 is 502 / 434
Spit 16 is 567 / 460
Spit 8 is 568 / 476
Spit 9 is 632 / 528
Spit 14 is 629 / 538

The data used must be from an older test series or it got screwed up importing it into the web engine. So the answer to your question is with correct data, no, the Spit 9 flaps don't work exceptionally well! Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I'll see if we can get the correct data posted up.

In case you are wondering how fuel load affects turn radius:

Spit 16 25% fuel is 567 / 460
Spit 16 50% fuel is 583 / 482
Spit 16 75% fuel is 590 / 495
Spit 16 99% fuel is 605 / 511

1) I did the best I could to be consistent in the testing, but it is by no stretch what I would call very accurate. The biggest problem was with judging airspeed during the turning circles.

2) These tests show how well I flew the planes, others will be better or worse than me. For instance WideWing can usually turn a smaller circle than I can. However the relative performance to each other we have found to be fairly consistent.

3) The data is a getting old now. The drag modeling has changed, therefore some planes may fly differently now than when I did the testing.

I haven't flown much the last 9 months so I doubt I'll get enthused to spend the time it will take to retest all the planes.

I have been thinking of sponsoring a "Beat MOSQ's Turn Radius" contest. I might post a thread asking folks to try to beat my Radius, if they do I'll update the data with their info and give them credit for it. However they will have to send in FILM to prove it!

[Cajunn]

You are correct, the dispalyed results are wrong. I know, I did the testing and gave the data to DokGonzo. The correct results for the Spits are in another thread here.

I've tried contacting Dok but he doen't reply to my emails or the contact on his site.....

From: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,220714.msg2678643.html#msg2678643

Hi Urchin,

Since I did the testing for the data on the site you referenced I'd like to throw in a couple of comments about the data.

You are correct, the website has the wrong data on the full flaps radius for the Spits. The last testing I did was on 11-18-06 with Ver 2.09.1 . Here's what my spreadsheet says for the Spits:

Spit 1 is 471 / 395
Spit 5 is 502 / 434
Spit 16 is 567 / 460
Spit 8 is 568 / 476
Spit 9 is 632 / 528
Spit 14 is 629 / 538

The data used must be from an older test series or it got screwed up importing it into the web engine. So the answer to your question is with correct data, no, the Spit 9 flaps don't work exceptionally well! Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I'll see if we can get the correct data posted up.

In case you are wondering how fuel load affects turn radius:

Spit 16 25% fuel is 567 / 460
Spit 16 50% fuel is 583 / 482
Spit 16 75% fuel is 590 / 495
Spit 16 99% fuel is 605 / 511

1) I did the best I could to be consistent in the testing, but it is by no stretch what I would call very accurate. The biggest problem was with judging airspeed during the turning circles.

2) These tests show how well I flew the planes, others will be better or worse than me. For instance WideWing can usually turn a smaller circle than I can. However the relative performance to each other we have found to be fairly consistent.

3) The data is a getting old now. The drag modeling has changed, therefore some planes may fly differently now than when I did the testing.

I haven't flown much the last 9 months so I doubt I'll get enthused to spend the time it will take to retest all the planes.

I have been thinking of sponsoring a "Beat MOSQ's Turn Radius" contest. I might post a thread asking folks to try to beat my Radius, if they do I'll update the data with their info and give them credit for it. However they will have to send in FILM to prove it!

Thank you  for answering my Question!

[MOSQ]

I forgot to mention that the LA-7 does outturn the LA-5. The extra power of the LA-7 helps it fly tighter.

[angelsandair]

wish the Runstang and the Jug did that w/o flaps.