Hate Speach Laws Vs Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason"

[john9001]

this thread needs to be cleared by the federal dept of permissible opinions. FDPO.

[moot]

Sirloin don't even get me started on bs like hate speech/crime laws and ideas like TP's Age of reason.  I'm just saying you're off the mark including Bardot as an example. Then again it wouldn't be the first time your judgement is off base.

[Casca]

The Bardot thing isn't even understood in full context. It's not such great evidence as some seem to be convinced.

Then by all means edify us.

[moot]

Nah.. You're just going to have to take my word for it.  Pick any of the other instances of those french laws, and you're most likely to find a good example.  I'm not gonna take the time to flesh out a whole freakin lesson on french culture, sorry.
I mentionned Houellebecq's interview with 'Lire' magazine, maybe if you're really interested rather than trolling, you can look up the court transcripts or something.  I might even help you out and translate the relevant parts in that or any other valid instance. The Bardot thing though, is a waste of time.  It just sounds really good to guys who don't know much or anything about france.

[Casca]

French culture with respect to this issue is irrelevant to me.  Bardot is a neurotic goofball.  I remain unconvinced that that fact impairs her right to express an unpopular point of view without being dragged into the dock for hate speech.  Not her right under French law (which I freely admit I know nothing about), not her right in your opinion but her right as a first principle of Enlightenment Thought.  You obviously disagree.  Good for you.

[moot]

If you were doing more than just replying to my posts and were actualy reading up on the context to the Bardot trial and French laws, you'd see there's precedent to people in France expressing unpopular points of view. 
You obviously don't see that French law and French culture and principles of Enlightenment Thought *cough* Voltaire *cough* are pretty intertwined. [insert disingenuous sarcasm here]

[Casca]

Monday morning schedule:
1.  Bone up on french law so I can understand the point moot is driving at.  He seems to think the conclusion is obvious but, diary, I can't figure that out from the four articles I read on Bardot and he won't tell me.  Sniff.

2.  Call Garrison Keillor and tell him I think I've found Pierre.  Man, I miss the Cafe Boufe skits, maybe he can start them again now.

3.  Go out a make a living.

Man, that is a pretty full schedule...couple of these might have to go...lesee...

*cough* guillotine *cough* 

[moot]

1) There's tons of other legislative/judiciary example to draw on, in French law... But somehow Bardot is getting everyone's attention.  Because?  It certainly isn't a case representative of most of the rest.

2) I'm not going to write an essay on french culture and livelihood.  Bardot is peculiar enough that I'd have to write pages, and/or the reader would have to have lived in France long enough (say, 6 months purposefuly observing the subject matter) to sufficiently apreciate the subtleties that'd "enlighten" the reader on why Bardot's a special case, unlike a lot of other, better instances of free speech vs. french legislature/customs.

3) Extraneous bullet point that adds nothing to the real subject of the thread

4) another extraneous bullet points cause it's really fun to fill a thread with impertinent filler

[AWMac]

Man the things we do to be Political Correct...



Igor: Dr. Frankenstein...
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: "Fronkensteen."
Igor: You're putting me on.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, it's pronounced "Fronkensteen."
Igor: Do you also say "Froaderick"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No...”Frederick."
Igor: Well, why isn't it "Froaderick Fronkensteen"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: It isn't; it's "Frederick Fronkensteen."
Igor: I see.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You must be Igor.
[He pronounces it ee-gor]
Igor: No, it's pronounced "eye-gor."
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: But they told me it was "ee-gor."
Igor: Well, they were wrong then, weren't they?

[Mr No Name]

hate speech laws are a joke and too open to broad interpretation... soon they will be applied to simple political statements

[SirLoin]

Sirloin you are dead nuts right about this.  I'm a little surprised by the disdain for the fundamental Enlightenment value of free speech that seems to be encountered more and more under the sobriquets of human rights, racism or homophobia (if you can't find a suitable word on the left you make one up).  The trial of Oriana Fallaci, the current pending show trial of Mark Steyn by the Canadian Human Rights Commision or the prosecution of Brigitte Bardot which is being beat to death in another thread are evidence of this.  Seems as though the Jacobins are alive and well and similarly disposed to their intellectual antecedants that imprisoned Thomas Paine himself.