Croduh

[evenhaim]

I was highly dissapointed from last night's results, i definatly thought there were better preformers than greece and russia. Well we didnt do so bad, but I think russia shoulda lost

[croduhmobile]

Our song was, well, strangely weird in a boring way.
But russian song really shouldn't have won.Spain and latvians(pirates) had great songs.
Fins brought their metal as usual;)
I actually had fun watching esc and looking forward to next one(and will bring an even more sucky song next time)

[AWMac]

And here I thought Russia only did songs for their Leaders during Cold and Flu season.

Sheesh.. ya learn something new everyday.

BTW who died?

Mac

[Lusche]

The French contestant made me 





The German performance made me 

[evenhaim]

The French contestant made me 

The German performance made me 

haha the greek chick was hot too

[Dowding]

Eurovision is just an exercise in back-slapping for former Soviet Republics. It needs a major overhaul. It used to be fun taking the piss out of the various piss-poor efforts on display, but the political voting just ruins it for me.

[Lusche]

Eurovision is just an exercise in back-slapping for former Soviet Republics. It needs a major overhaul. It used to be fun taking the piss out of the various piss-poor efforts on display, but the political voting just ruins it for me.

If it were a "political" voting, Russia would probably have gotten much less calls..

Each year the is a lot of conspiracy talking in Germany about eastern european countries voting for each other. While that may be true to some extend, it's not as bad. (And almost nobody complains about Scandinavian countries voting for each other )

For example, if you wouldn't count  ALL eastern european/ balkan votes in this years contest, the top 5 would still be Greece, Armenia, Norway, Ukraine, Russia.
And UK would still be # 23 and Germany even last place with a meagre 2 points ;

[evenhaim]

Eurovision is just an exercise in back-slapping for former Soviet Republics. It needs a major overhaul. It used to be fun taking the piss out of the various piss-poor efforts on display, but the political voting just ruins it for me.

not true at all...

[Dowding]

You just need to look at Bosnia's placing and the quality of their output to see that my original assertion is true.

Each year the is a lot of conspiracy talking in Germany about eastern european countries voting for each other. While that may be true to some extend, it's not as bad.

While there has always been political voting, it now skews the whole competition. What used to be a laugh, is now a predictable 'love thy neighbour' episode. How else can you explain Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia giving each other either 10 or 12 points? Croatia and Bosnia's entries were perhaps the worst on display, apart from perhaps Spain's. I think the UK, France and Germany should withdraw their funding and let Eastern europe get on with it. The bon homie will only last a few years anyway, before they start killing each other by the score again. Perhaps we can send Terry Wogan over there as peace keeper.

Having said all that, the Baltic states and Balkans have done the sensible thing. By voting for Russia, they have at least secured their oil and gas supplies for another year.

[Lusche]

You just need to look at Bosnia's placing and the quality of their output to see that my original assertion is true.

While there has always been political voting, it now skews the whole competition. What used to be a laugh, is now a predictable 'love thy neighbour' episode. How else can you explain Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia giving each other either 10 or 12 points? Croatia and Bosnia's entries were perhaps the worst on display, apart from perhaps Spain's. I think the UK, France and Germany should withdraw their funding and let Eastern europe get on with it. The bon homie will only last a few years anyway, before they start killing each other by the score again. Perhaps we can send Terry Wogan over there as peace keeper.

Having said all that, the Baltic states and Balkans have done the sensible thing. By voting for Russia, they have at least secured their oil and gas supplies for another year.

 

Never get facts in the way of a opinion.

Don't you think that people do vote for what they know and what they do like? You really think the individual voter will base his decision on thoughts like "I don't like that song, but for economic reasons I will vote for them?"

These had been the results if eastern europe/ balkan countries had NOT been able to vote at all. Numbers in () are the actual ranks.

1. (3)   Greece
2. (4)   Armenia
3. (5)   Norway
4. (2)   Ukraine
5. (1)   Russia
6. (7)   Turkeyi
7. (13   Portugal
8. (14   Iceland
9. (6)   Serbia
10. (10)   Bosnia
11. (11)   Latvia
12. (16)   Spain
13. (15)   Denmark
14. (9)    Israel
15. (18)   Sweden
16. (8 )    Azerbaijan
17. (20)   Rumania
18. (18)   France
19. (11)   Georga
20. (22)   Finland
21. (16)   Albania
22. (23)   Poland
23. (23)   UK
24. (21)   Croatia
25. (23)   Germany

Numbers in brackets

Amzing how little actually changes without all those "Eastern Connection" votes. You cited Bosnia as an example - Without Serbian and Croation votes it still would have ended up at exact the SAME rank (10). And surely all western european poeple ignored the British and German entries for political reasons only

And while we are talking about unfair politics:  Unlike all other countries, UK, Spain, France & Germany didn't even have to go through the semi-finals. These were the only countries with a guaranteed place in the finals. Only because of big money, not song quality. Hardly fair.

[Dowding]

You really think the individual voter will base his decision on thoughts like "I don't like that song, but for economic reasons I will vote for them?"

More like "I don't really care what song it is, but Uncle Bilan lives there, so I'll vote them."

The biggest finding from your numbers is that Russia would have come 5th not 1st. That says it all. I actually think the Greek entry was a better song - and your analysis shows it would have won without the Balkanized political voting. Sweden should have done better too. How the hell Spain got anywhere near the top 10 is a mystery to any sane man who saw the performance.

Frankly, I don't know why I'm that bothered. Perhaps I just like my comedy to be performed on a level stage. British sense of fair play, I guess.

BTW, I have a sneaking suspicion that if the UK entry had been sung by a white man, it would have been better received in Eastern Europe. I've heard the reception black players get in Eastern European countries in football.

And while we are talking about unfair politics:  Unlike all other countries, UK, Spain, France & Germany didn't even have to go through the semi-finals. These were the only countries with a guaranteed place in the finals. Only because of big money, not song quality. Hardly fair.

Hardly fair to bank roll the event but not take part? How about all countries contribute equally? Somehow I doubt Azerbaijan will cough up the cash to be honest.

[Lusche]

Hardly fair to bank roll the event but not take part? How about all countries contribute equally? Somehow I doubt Azerbaijan will cough up the cash to be honest.

Uh.. I always though a "song contest" should be based on music, not money.

BTW, "we" (The Big Four)  would still take part. We just would have to make it through the semi-finals, just like everybody else. Of course with this years "quality", both UK and Germany would have been sent home early.

(BTW, I actually DID like the Bosnian performance. )

[Lumpy]

What used to be a laugh, is now a predictable 'love thy neighbour' episode. How else can you explain Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia giving each other either 10 or 12 points?

I found this comment hilarious considering what these countries were doing a few years ago.