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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 02:29:47 AM »
Ta 152 H0





From that site: Wings. The wings were high on a shelf, not ideal for photography. Nevertheless they confirm it as a H-0, pre-production aircraft. You can count 9 circular access holes for servicing the control linkages. On the right, towards the wing root is a rectangular hole. The H-1 had 3 circular holes here to access the wing mounted fuel tanks which were absent in the H-0's wing. You can just see the ailerons and rudder sitting on top of the wing.

(The above images are from here http://www.geocities.com/ta152uk/index.html where there are more small images. He has some amazing 3000 x 3000 px shots of the engine, but nothing but pissy little, low-detail shots of the exterior surfaces  :furious )

















This isn't really useful at all but it is a great wallpaper:
http://www.stormbirds.net/calendar/StretchedtotheLimitTa152_12.jpg
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 03:20:52 AM »
#76 by JC:  You mean RGB 160,178,181?  That looks a lot like the one in the profile in the second post of the thread.. Really green.  I've seen a few pics of a poster he's made, and I don't know if it's the lighting (daylight, high altitude clouds etc), but the #76 on that painting is a lot less saturated..

Those rivets on the D9 underwing look pretty much the same as on the D13 in Seattle:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2623477201_a585676745_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3095/2624302508_82a08b70e0_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2623477201_a585676745_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/2623475459_ab58c61ce1_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2623480737_dc496a8046_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2623481455_f61e356cbd_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2624309778_a4d5cb20d3_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2623488723_2b054fd2b4_o.jpg

Better lighting:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3056/2624287356_82bee8cb90_o.gif
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2624281944_6537c76b38_o.gif
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2624279802_4cc6256e3a_o.gif
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2623450517_d3469b7794_o.gif
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/2624253976_1ae06ba436_o.gif
The majority of the rivets don't show up at all.. Only some really stand out, like the large ones at the tail extension.

Here's the missing panel/rivet patterns:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2624314742_336e393444_o.png
Front to aft, you've got the four claws of DT rack, the inner part of the gear doors, the MK108 chute and 4 oval/elliptical somethings (dunno what) just left of it, a pair of latches for the 20mm's and inside of these are two more small rectangular panels (dunno what)... Then further back, just after the trailing edge of the wingroot, what I suppose is a ladder, another elliptical panel, and then the big GM1 access panel, with a radio part behind it that's probably not necessary to skin.. it's probably one of the antenna's already modeled in 3D.

The wingtop patterns:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/2623523703_647dabf74b_o.png

Nice wallpaper.  You can really see the difference in the shape of the tail's cross section, almost square angles, compared to the round/oval shape we have.
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2008, 03:38:18 AM »
The shade of RLM 76 I've gone with is a bit lighter than that: RGB 182 194 192 which will end up looking like this once it's dirtied up a bit:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Skins/ahss3.jpg

Thanks for posting those details up for me mate, I appreciate that.

If you're hanging around for another 30 minutes keep checking back here, I just scoured the JC book cover to cover and tried to get some of the best shots out of it. I'm just resizing them a little now (or else they'll all be 3500 px wide). I'll keep them at about 1200 or 1500, though, so they'll still be big.

I hope they turn out alright.

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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2008, 03:48:05 AM »
Thanks :)

Small detail, click for the full res pic..

This panel looks like it's raised.. Or maybe it's the lighting+weathering?  I haven't seen this little bump modeled on any digital or scale model, so it's just a guess...
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2008, 04:05:50 AM »
That's interesting. I've have two or three other photos that show the upper surface of the 152's wings and I've never seen that before.  :huh

Here are the images I got. I have to apologise for the way I got these shots digitized, I don't have a scanner at the moment. The details have been washed out a little but the bulk of what I noticed in the photos is still there.

One thing of note is that the surfaces of the horizontal stabilisers do not have rivets all over the surface. The rivets are only directly opposite the elevator surfaces. This is clearly visible in the picture with 'Strupip' the dog (9./JG 54's mascot). This is what has me concerned that there are not many rivets on the upper wing surfaces either.

There is also another photo (image name #s 12 and 13) that shows a D9's wings with no visible panel lines at all. The image is a little washed out on the computer but in the book it's much clearer. There is only the wing leading edge panel line that is visible and I can't see any rivets on that.

However, on that H0 photo I found tonight there are faint panel lines visible, so I'll go with that.

Anyway, I'd be interested to know what you make of these:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots001.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots002.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots003.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots004.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots006.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots007.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots008.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots009.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots010.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots011.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots013.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots015.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/JCshots017.jpg
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 04:34:15 AM »
Yeah it's pretty blurry, but I see what you mean.
JCshots006.jpg with Strupip matches the schematics - looks like only one line of medium sized rivets ought to be very visible near the outside end, and everything else is small rivets on the hstab only. I can't tell for sure, but I can't spot the lateral rivet line that should be on the hstab, just ahead of the leading edge of the vator.  I guess these small sized rivets were really easily concealed under paint.  Only the medium and larger rivets seem to be clearly visible at all times.
Then again #9 shows what should be small size rivets as a bit more contrasting, although it's still not very visible.  Still a lot less contrasting than the default skin rivets.  #3 is a bit more dark still, though it looks like it's only the outside of the rivet heads that are dark. 

Looks like you didn't upload #12.  13 does look very homogeneous, barely any hint of the panels or their bends, or rivets.  Same thing on #11.  Same thing on #7 on the front end of the nose, and it looks like it's just a matter of how new the paint layer is.. On the same plane, further back on the fuselage, you can see the rivet lines more clearly.. On #6 you have both the barely visible rivets on the hstabs, and clearly visible ones on the tail surface in the background.  Weathering on the rivets plays a big part.

Thanks for the pics, they're really good reference.
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 05:31:31 AM »
Those images didn't come up nearly as clearly as I would have liked.

This particular image should be more clear now:


The black dots are the only visible rivets on the whole surface. The location of the dots is about 90% accurate, so it's enough to work off.

The black line is a faint panel line that I just drew over to enhance a little. The circular shape  on the top right hand corner near the dogs paw is a circular depression with a raised, circular 'nipple' in the centre. It got cut off in the shot but my drawing is to pretty close to scale.
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2008, 05:51:57 AM »
Another tailpiece looking very smooth, with no immediately visible rivets..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2638911770_4704cd3da9_o.png
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2008, 11:23:19 AM »
Indeed.... almost as smooth as those Elton John sunnies!  :rofl :lol

Nice pic, thanks, mate.
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2008, 11:40:44 AM »
Well.. no rivets standing out except for the column of larger rivets near the outside end of the hstab.. :)
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2008, 11:58:32 AM »
Yeah, it looks like my little drawing is correct. In your image you can (faintly) see those rivets run all the way parrallel to the elevator.

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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 05:49:36 PM »
My PC crashed and I still can't get the HDD with AH and the skin viewer and the WIP skin to work. It just doesn't get recognized even in the bootup BIOS screen.  I'm pretty sure I should be able to retrieve everything if I give the drive to some technician who knows what he's doing, but in the mean time (till ~september when I move back to north america), I'm not touching the pc any more.  It's just too flaky and I have important stuff to do with it that I can't afford to screw up.
Worst case scenario, I'll post the .psd here and let whoever finish it. 
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2008, 02:17:13 PM »




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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2008, 10:51:05 PM »
Looking good :)  Nitpick (all you'll get at this point in development): Does the leading end of the wingtop above the flaps and of the ailerons have that much shade to them? 
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Re: TA 152 Thread
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2008, 10:52:35 PM »
I was just thinking about that. Since there is no joint there, only the bottom of the wing.