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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 07:16:09 AM »
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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 07:35:22 AM »
Metering is not a new idea.  It was tried by many ISP's who are no longer in business.

Verizon just raises their rates for everyone to compensate for the bandwidth usage.  They do have an edge over cable companies.  They are part of the telecommunications base that runs the equipment which the Internet uses.  The cost of bandwidth for them is going to be less than than the cable companies.

Cable companies only own their network and have to buy bandwidth from Tier 1 ISP's to be on the Internet.

When Verizon needs to bridge to another ISP's network, they can make peering arrangements which are far cheaper than having to buy the bandwidth outright.

The cable Internet business plan has been doomed from the start.  @Home was the worst beginning the cable industry could have for Internet service.  They opened it up far too cheap to ever be profitable and everyone else followed suit.  There is no way the cable companies will ever be able to match what the phone companies can offer for Internet, for the same price and still maintain a viable business.  They are struggling as it is.

The problem we will be facing in the near future is a phone company who wants to own it all.  Verizon has and continues to use some very underhanded methods to kill its competition.  I know, as I was a victim of those methods.  Nothing can be done as they are protected by the State of Texas.  Texas does not want to lose a large employer such as Verizon, so they not only turn their collective cheeks to what is going on, they also provide protection through the Texas Public Utilities Commission.

Verizon got a new one passed on the people of Texas just recently.  It is a fee based on non-usage of long distance services.  That's right.  If you are a Verizon customer in Texas, you now have to pay $3.50 a month for non-use of long distance service.  If you are in Verizon territory, you have no choice on phone service any longer.

As FIOS is wholly owned by Verizon, they are not required to share it with any other phone company.  So they are turning down the copper where it goes in and voila; you no longer have a choice in phone service.

People do not see this coming, until it is too late.  Of course, this will happen in Texas.  It may not happen in other states, if the PUC at other states is on the ball, but in Texas, the PUC is Verizon's ball.

I digress.  I suspect the cable companies are simply making noise about the usage fee to gauge reaction and then determine if the Internet portion of their service can remain viable.  Time will tell.
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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 08:19:35 AM »
This is laughable....

Are you telling me that FIOS and DSL customers on the Verizon network do not share the company's bandwidth? Did you hit your head?

I fix cable issues everyday and have many, many happy customers. AT&T is launching a FIOS style product here in Tulsa and they are sinking millions in infrastructure. It will be a formidable competitor, don't get me wrong. But, to think that FIOS and DSL will be without problems is the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time. Verizon has a great product. If cable goes metered, you will see all ISP's go metered.

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I think you might want to reread my post. I merely said that verizon isnt going to be metering custs internet usage.
I also never said that fios cust and dsl cust dont "share" bandwidth I said that the cable companies system is STRUCTURED differently.
I also NEVER said there was no problems.
As for ATT's "fios" style service, I know a few ppl with it and tho its better than the cable companies it just doesnt compare to FIOS. Verizon's is FTTP whereas ATT is fiber to the curb IE to the neighborhood copper crossbox.

AS for the problems with FIOS as a Verizon installer I'm well aware of our issues and they pale in comparison to the cable companies. I dont know alot about ATT's system but as I stated I know some folks who have it and have heard of some of their limitations and issues.

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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 08:33:09 AM »
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As FIOS is wholly owned by Verizon, they are not required to share it with any other phone company.  So they are turning down the copper where it goes in and voila; you no longer have a choice in phone service.

I wont argue with ya skuzzy on the underhanded meathods that verizon and ATT both use. AS a union member and steward I see it all the time.


AS for turning down the copper, I havent see it. I install fios and I know our copper techs are still busy as any other time. Verizon isnt going to sink and money into their copper plant except what the Texas PUC makes em do. Just isnt cost effective. I have installed plenty of custs that use SBC or ATT STILL on our existing copper lines while we install FIOS for their intardnet and video service.
Then their is also the VoIP stuff like ...Vonage  :rolleyes:.

I respect your veiws and agree with many of em skuzzy but the part of turning down the copper and the PUC letting them is erroneous. 

Thats not to say that in your area their wasnt some "issue" with the old copper plant that Verizon is going to upgrade...just not cost effective to do so unless they are forced to.

The area I work in (Garland, Tx) has the OLDEST copper plant in the DFW area and there are plenty of ppl still on it.

It all boils down to this IMNSHO both the telecomm companies and the cable companies are out to make a buck, if screwing the custs is what it takes...then "bohica". ?Ya just gotta go with the outfit that uses the most KY <if any>.
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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2008, 10:25:22 AM »
i'm capped @ 95 gb a month...

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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2008, 10:32:47 AM »
Willcard, I got a notice than Verizon is moving off the copper in my neighborhood and all phone service will be switched to run off the fiber.  It was all nice and sweet about all the wonderful advantages.

I am keeping my copper and hunting for a new phone company after that and the final blow being charged for not using long distance.  I am not going to support a company who is trying very hard to be the only phone company in town and acting like it.
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Re: metering Internet use
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2008, 11:56:34 AM »
Cable companies only own their network and have to buy bandwidth from Tier 1 ISP's to be on the Internet.

Time Warner Cable is in slightly different position, since both, TWC (includes RR) and ATDN (tier 1) are subsidiaries of Time Warner Inc.