Man Kills at Least Seven in Stabbing Rampage at Popular Tokyo Shopping District

[SteveBailey]

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[Maverick]

Straffo,

Nice hijack. Not only did you derail the entire thread but managed to also hook several fish on a rusty bare hook. Nicely done.

[AWMac]

Someone still has to say it was Bush's fault or "Boosh is the Devil" to end this thread...

wait...never mind.

 

[-tronski-]

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[Elfie]

A terrible tragedy.

I don't think you can draw a simple, one-size-fits-all conclusion about different societies and guns. Switzerland is well armed and Japan is unarmed, yet both are among the safest countries on the planet. Culture, more than weapons, affects overall crime rate.

Well said sir. 

[SteveBailey]

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[straffo]

it was not my intent maveric

[lazs2]

as was said.....

"A terrible tragedy.I don't think you can draw a simple, one-size-fits-all conclusion about different societies and guns. Switzerland is well armed and Japan is unarmed, yet both are among the safest countries on the planet. Culture, more than weapons, affects overall crime rate."

yep... and a culture of suicide and a culture of teen angst that fosters even 10 of these events a year will not really change the overall murder rate or crime rate... while spectacular.. these types of crimes are rare.   Even 10 a year of the same magnitude (highly doubtful) would only mean 70 or so more people killed a year.. more than that choke on chicken bones.

These are the kinds of things that fuel the press and the socialists tho.. it is "good" reason to further restrict personal freedoms and further disarm any society.

lazs

[Rolex]

You've said this a couple times now, but I don't understand your point. This guy wasn't suicidal, he was delusional. He didn't try to commit suicide. He was a paranoid type who mistakenly believed he was being fired from his job. Japan does have a high suicide rate, 10th in the world, but most are over 50 and ill, and don't want to be a burden to their families. Teenager suicide is not significantly higher than anywhere else. Maybe you're trying to apply the image of US mass murders, such as the Va Tech and Columbine, to Japan?

I also don't get your teen angst point, either. This guy, and most people who commit murder in Japan, are not teenagers in angst.

[AKIron]

You've said this a couple times now, but I don't understand your point. This guy wasn't suicidal, he was delusional. He didn't try to commit suicide. He was a paranoid type who mistakenly believed he was being fired from his job. Japan does have a high suicide rate, 10th in the world, but most are over 50 and ill, and don't want to be a burden to their families. Teenager suicide is not significantly higher than anywhere else. Maybe you're trying to apply the image of US mass murders, such as the Va Tech and Columbine, to Japan?

I also don't get your teen angst point, either. This guy, and most people who commit murder in Japan, are not teenagers in angst.

Japan is populated with people of the same race/ethnicity. Minorities are tiny. I think their relatively low internal violence is because of this more than their culture. Their culture did not prevent them from brutalizing their neighbors in Korea, China, and Indonesia 60 or so years ago. i haven't looked it up but they may have slaughtered far more then than have been brutalized in the US in the 60 years since.

[Mustaine]

One reason Hitler...

Though this is an interesting argument Godwin's Law or more specifically Reductio ad Hitlerum take precedence from this point on.

[narsus]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita


Just some links to some interesting data, crossed referenced some of the information and seems to jive pretty well with other sources.

Top right of page has some very nifty search features on crime, suicide, economy etc.

[Torque]

funny... how it is when it comes to brown people wanting the right to self defence the right wing socialists are the biggest flip floppers.

[lazs2]

rolex.. yes.. I am tying it to these types of killings in the US...  I guess.. insane is insane.

Whitman was our first.   he had a tumor.   He was not a teen...after him.. it became a fad.   Now, I KNOW you are not gonna tell me that the japs are not people who follow fads?

The teen suicide rate in japan IS much higher than it is in the US.  Now they have an example.. they see how it can be done just like in the US but without the hard to get firearms.  They see the fame and fear.

I am of course... guessing.. the place just seems ripe for such things.

lazs

[Rolex]

Japan is no different from anywhere else in several respects. One is that no society is paradise and without faults. Another is that their politicians will try to con the population into thinking that they have the power to legislate away crimes of passion by the insane.