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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2008, 07:55:59 PM »
F4C "The Caddy" is all i need. Any other plane after that just keeps me in perks.
You see a Rook F4C between 3a.m. and 8a.m. central time..just go the other way.Just go the other way....

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2008, 07:58:48 PM »
Just 3 rides? Wow that's some discipline. I couldn't stick to 3 rides to save my life lol.

I did fly other rides first day of the tour, following my usual gander the FW190 series, Ju87 sorties, but honestly your right
strict discipline and why not its actually quite fun  :rock

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2008, 08:03:12 PM »
    I'm a funny bird.  I refuse to fly German or Japanese planes.   The only time I've climbed into one, is to study its weakness from a firsthand perspective.   I've never flown one as part of a monthly MA tour.   I fly allied planes exclusively.
    Somehow I just can't shake pictures in my mind of Japanese and German atrocities during WWII.   A relative of mine survived the Bataan Death March and wrote a book about it "Corrigador to Hell".   And i've met a few children of holocaust victims.   All this left an unshakeable impression on me .  And i imagine there are others out there who feel the same, even though this is only a game simulation.
    So when you are playing CT and diving on a formation of B-17's with your FW 190...  and you suddenly realize the gunner in that B-17 is a little too good to be the AI...  You'll know why a human player is flying a fortress over Germany in a campaign game.   I'll see you there, Whilhelm.  

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2008, 08:22:27 PM »
    I'm a funny bird.  I refuse to fly German or Japanese planes.   The only time I've climbed into one, is to study its weakness from a firsthand perspective.   I've never flown one as part of a monthly MA tour.   I fly allied planes exclusively.
    Somehow I just can't shake pictures in my mind of Japanese and German atrocities during WWII.   A relative of mine survived the Bataan Death March and wrote a book about it "Corrigador to Hell".   And i've met a few children of holocaust victims.   All this left an unshakeable impression on me .  And i imagine there are others out there who feel the same, even though this is only a game simulation.
    So when you are playing CT and diving on a formation of B-17's with your FW 190...  and you suddenly realize the gunner in that B-17 is a little too good to be the AI...  You'll know why a human player is flying a fortress over Germany in a campaign game.   I'll see you there, Whilhelm.   

I really want to post on this, but I would get PNG'd by your blatant comment right away. So im not gona bother.

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2008, 08:50:00 PM »
P51s, 47s and 38s are the only planes in the game. All other aicraft are wantabes..................... ..over? :devil
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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2008, 09:21:39 PM »
P51s, 47s and 38s are the only planes in the game. All other aicraft are wantabes..................... ..over? :devil

I will take my 109 over your P51 For 200 Alex, oh wait wrong game...

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2008, 09:31:03 PM »
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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2008, 10:28:21 PM »
    I'm a funny bird.  I refuse to fly German or Japanese planes.   The only time I've climbed into one, is to study its weakness from a firsthand perspective.   I've never flown one as part of a monthly MA tour.   I fly allied planes exclusively.
    Somehow I just can't shake pictures in my mind of Japanese and German atrocities during WWII.   A relative of mine survived the Bataan Death March and wrote a book about it "Corrigador to Hell".   And i've met a few children of holocaust victims.   All this left an unshakeable impression on me .  And i imagine there are others out there who feel the same, even though this is only a game simulation.
    So when you are playing CT and diving on a formation of B-17's with your FW 190...  and you suddenly realize the gunner in that B-17 is a little too good to be the AI...  You'll know why a human player is flying a fortress over Germany in a campaign game.   I'll see you there, Whilhelm.   

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2008, 10:34:54 PM »
   I'm a funny bird.  I refuse to fly German or Japanese planes.   The only time I've climbed into one, is to study its weakness from a firsthand perspective.   I've never flown one as part of a monthly MA tour.   I fly allied planes exclusively.
    Somehow I just can't shake pictures in my mind of Japanese and German atrocities during WWII.   A relative of mine survived the Bataan Death March and wrote a book about it "Corrigador to Hell".   And i've met a few children of holocaust victims.   All this left an unshakeable impression on me .  And i imagine there are others out there who feel the same, even though this is only a game simulation.
    So when you are playing CT and diving on a formation of B-17's with your FW 190...  and you suddenly realize the gunner in that B-17 is a little too good to be the AI...  You'll know why a human player is flying a fortress over Germany in a campaign game.   I'll see you there, Whilhelm.  

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2008, 10:59:38 PM »
    My squadron informed me last week, from now on German Planes will be flown on squad nights.  The idea being, most players want to fly the German planes in order to get ready for the debut of CT in September.   I have not yet withdrawn from my squadron..  but I GUARANTEE you,  I will RESIGN from my squadron before being coerced by sanctions into flying a German plane.  That ain't happening.   
     The irony is when i joined this bomber squadron, they flew B-17's exclusively.
Now they wanna turn it into a German Fighter Squadron.  All i can say is, ZIEG HEIL BABY!  I'll see ya in my gunsights. 

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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2008, 11:15:32 PM »
    Somehow I just can't shake pictures in my mind of Japanese and German atrocities during WWII.   A relative of mine survived the Bataan Death March and wrote a book about it "Corrigador to Hell".   And i've met a few children of holocaust victims.   All this left an unshakeable impression on me .  And i imagine there are others out there who feel the same, even though this is only a game simulation.
Yet you fly B17's?

German pilots weren't involved with the atrocities, in fact they were VERY kind to captured enemy pilots. Even Russian pilots and ground crews, which is interesting considering how much the Germans hated the Russians.

Allied bomber pilots, however...


Just to reiterate my point. From Heinz Knoke's, 'I Flew for the Fuehrer'. These events occurred on March 5th, 1942, as Knoke was intercepting a recce spitfire that had been plaguing them the past few days/weeks, causing Knoke much frustration as he tried to shoot down the Spitfire on past occasions. He had shot the Spitfires oil cooler causing oil to splash back on his forward windscreen.     

'... I veer a little to the right, in order to to observe the Tommy farther through the side window. He is gradually losing speed, but is still flying. The smoke-trail is becoming thinner.
Then another Messerschmitt comes into view climbing up on my left. It is Lieutnant Dieter Gerhard, my old comrade, and I radio to him to say I am no longer able to fire.
"Then let me finish him, Heinz!"
He opens fire. The right wing of the Spitfire shears away. Like a dead autumn leaf, the plane flutters earthwards.
And the pilot? Is he still alive? My throat tightens. I had come to like that boy. If he is not dead, why does he not bale out?
The spitfire goes down, a flaming torch now, hurtling towards the snowfield. It will crash and be utterly destroyed. And with it the pilot.
I find myself shouting as if he could hear me: "Bale out lad, bale out!" After all, he is human, too; a soldier too, and a pilot with the same love of the sky and clouds that I feel. Does he also have a wife, a girl like Lilo, perhaps?
"Bale out, lad, bale out!"
Then a body becomes detached from the flames and falls clear. A white parachute spreads open and drifts slowly down into the mountains.
A feeling of pure joy is in my heart now. This is my first combat victory in the air. I have got my man, and he is alive. Dieter and I share the bottle of brandy. We drink a toast to our own fighter pilots, and another one to our Tommy. Dieter brings him in, after landing in the mountains in a Fieseler Storch fitted with skis. He is a tall, slim Pilot Officer in the Royal Air Force. A stiff drink of brandy does him a lot of good. He joins in the laughter when I explain how the entire bottle was actually dedicated to him.'

Knoke was crippled by a roadside bomb planted by partisans in Poland in late 1944. He was forced to live the rest of the war out as a civilian.
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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2008, 11:33:39 PM »
Don't do it, Bubi. Never argue with an idiot, unless you're drunk.

On topic: I like to fly cartoon airplanes. Sometimes 109s, sometimes bombers, sometimes fighters. I fly them all the same way though- poorly.
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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2008, 12:00:22 AM »
Don't do it, Bubi. Never argue with an idiot, unless you're drunk.

On topic: I like to fly cartoon airplanes. Sometimes 109s, sometimes bombers, sometimes fighters. I fly them all the same way though- poorly.
I may not be drunk, but I'm extremely tired & bored. Somehow typing makes me less tired and bored... :) Plus, even if I can't educate Waldron, perhaps others will find interest in these stories.

From 'The Blond Knight of Germany', a biography of Erich Hartmann. Keep in mind the Germans hated the Russians.
'The Germans were astonished in Russia when Red fighters swarmed over their airfields on sub-zero mornings when they had been unable even to start their own aircraft. When Erich's squadron captured a Russian airman, he showed them with typical Soviet directness how the Russian Air Force maintained its operational effectiveness at 40 below zero.
The cooperative prisoner was proud of knowing something perhaps the Germans didn't know. He called for half a gallon of gasoline in a can. He went over to one of the grounded Messerschmitts, and to the horror of the watching JG52 personnel, poured the gasoline into the aircraft's oil slump. The Germans backed away twenty yards or more. The moment that Dummkopf turned on the ignition and attempted to start, there would be an explosion.
Apprehensive mechanics began cranking the motor by hand, while a German pilot cringed down in the cockpit. After the gasoline was thoroughly mixed with the congealed oil, he turned on the ignition. The engine started. There was no explosion. The big Daimler Benz burst into life and ran solidly. The Russian airman explained through interpreting Germans that the oil congealed at sub zero temperatures and made it impossible for starters to budge the engine. The gasoline liquefied the oil, and then evaporated as the engine warmed up. The only necessary precaution was to change the oil more often when using gasoline for sub zero starting.'
The prisoner also helped with other sub zero engine problems, guns jamming, etc. As if his dangerous techniques didn't show the German's trust of the Russian, he was allowed to wander the airfield without a guard. The Luftwaffe was a pretty humane and chivalrous group. More so than the USAAF or especially the RAF for sure.


I could also type up Knoke's other experiences with down Allied pilots (both good and bad... ex. a Thunderbolt pilot trying to strafe him when he baled out) but I don't feel like it.










On topic I normally fly the 109. I fly the 190 a bit too.
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Re: Planes & Pilots
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2008, 12:29:53 AM »
I fly alittle bit of everything depending on my mood. Jabo runs are normally F6Fs or P-51Ds. Base defense Niki or LaLa. Pure dogfighting I love my Spit 8 and Ki-84. For my favorite pasttime of pi$$ing in people's cornflakes and sinking cvs is the trusty B-26. I am very consistant at fly everthing quite poorly as well.  :furious
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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2008, 12:39:36 AM »
I do see where Stephen Waldron is coming from.   Now those same German planes would have been bombing our cities 68 years ago.  I've sat and heard my grandmama's stories of looking out the kitchen window whilst she doing the washing up, to see a sky filled of black hun planes.

It must have been a frightful sight knowing those planes have BOMBS wanting to blow you up and kill you.

Now I like flying the 109's to see what they got but give me a choice between a spit8 and a G14  and ill take him apart in my Spit anyday and say to myself

"burn all the way down hun scum!"

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