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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »
not  that it matters since all the guns are nose mounted anyway but i set em to 600 arch.
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2008, 08:19:45 AM »
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2008, 02:48:59 PM »
I have the 30mm set at d200. With the tater gun the conv is setting the arc/drop of the round. You can set it at d400 and your round will be arcing high onto a d200 targer. Some do this to help in the lead on a flat turn.

I tried it and it just messed everything up. I couldnt properly lead on deflection shots. You have to aim low for strait six d200 shots and for close in snaps. That is the last thing you want to start doing is aiming low.

I recommend d200 and learn to plan the deflection properly.

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2008, 03:33:00 PM »
I use d200 as well.
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2008, 04:09:52 PM »
I use 650 on all the 30mm's.
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2008, 09:51:07 PM »
I have the 30mm set at d200. With the tater gun the conv is setting the arc/drop of the round. You can set it at d400 and your round will be arcing high onto a d200 targer. Some do this to help in the lead on a flat turn.

I tried it and it just messed everything up. I couldnt properly lead on deflection shots. You have to aim low for strait six d200 shots and for close in snaps. That is the last thing you want to start doing is aiming low.

I recommend d200 and learn to plan the deflection properly.

Yeah, that's what I've always used. 200 on the 108 and 600 for the 131s. Thanks for that. Your images were a great help, thanks.

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2008, 09:54:43 PM »
not  that it matters since all the guns are nose mounted anyway but i set em to 600 arch.

Not necessarily, mate. Convergence is also related to the vertical trajectory of the rounds. The 108 fires 'up' out of the nose a huge amount for a 600 yard setting. If you shoot at someone from D200, dead 6 plain and level and in the centre of your sights, you won't hit them. Essentially the round 'drops' on your target with your guns out that far.

Different guns have different trajectories, so the 131s will have a much flatter firing line than the 108.



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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2008, 10:40:08 PM »
for 30mm I set it at 200, 20mm set at 400, and 50 cal at 300.
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 11:40:18 PM »
Agent having fought countless duels with you, and having spent countless hours trying to understand what the hell you were trying to explain to me, these threads have made it all make ALLOT MORE SENSE. Thanks for posting these threads/videos. Maybe I'll be able to use some of these tricks against ya :)

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2008, 11:01:40 AM »
One of the hardest things people do is switch planes which can screw up your aim incredibly - I.e 20mm to 30mm in a 109 or wing mounted to nose mounted -

here are 2 videos of my typical flights in a 109g6 and 109k4

http://www.mediafire.com/?thlqix5an9j
http://www.mediafire.com/?onjvmmiagbn

Both videos show my method of riding up someones "rear" and letting loose a burst, I tend to snapshot on the 20mm if not always, far
as the 30mm I tend to wait till I can get a decent enough snapshot.


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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2008, 11:17:27 AM »
One of the hardest things people do is switch planes which can screw up your aim incredibly - I.e 20mm to 30mm in a 109 or wing mounted to nose mounted -

here are 2 videos of my typical flights in a 109g6 and 109k4

http://www.mediafire.com/?thlqix5an9j
http://www.mediafire.com/?onjvmmiagbn

Both videos show my method of riding up someones "rear" and letting loose a burst, I tend to snapshot on the 20mm if not always, far
as the 30mm I tend to wait till I can get a decent enough snapshot.



Tried to watch your films man, not sure if you are using TrackIR or what (didn't think that showed up in the viewer) but the views were going nuts! :huh

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2008, 01:01:42 PM »
Thats my constant SA - I check all my views every 2-3 seconds, at one point im zeroing in on someone and check my 6 right when i started firing. Good Situational awareness is what keeps me alive

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2008, 01:11:43 PM »
Thats my constant SA - I check all my views every 2-3 seconds, at one point im zeroing in on someone and check my 6 right when i started firing. Good Situational awareness is what keeps me alive

No, I'm not talking about just keeping your head on a swivel.  Your views were at some points apparently way above you A/C, then out on the tip of one wing, or the other.  I switched to external view on the viewer and it was the same.

I've tried other films since and I'm not getting a repeat of the issue.

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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2008, 02:34:06 PM »
The film viewer mis-handles head positions near enough the in-game physical limit of the cockpit.
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Re: Aiming the Mk108 30mm gun - one example
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2008, 07:15:52 AM »
Ha! LW Pansies don't know what it's like to shoot a real Tater Gun...   :devil




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