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Offline angelsandair

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EW Tanks
« on: June 17, 2008, 01:19:40 AM »
Well, in the FSO with Guadalcanal, I realized that we coulda done a whole lot more with it. Getting some early war Shermans and Stuart Tanks and Japanese tanks and it coulda made it a great Ground battle. We also probably could have done it with more FSOs and AvA maps. Same with Scenarios.  :aok

Add some early war tanks, AHII isn't just about "t3h l33t LW r1d3s"
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Re: EW Tanks
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 10:58:24 PM »
that last remark killed this thread
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 11:55:02 PM »
I started on a project to put together a complete GV recommendation for AHII that would encompass all countries (Japan to be added later) and all arenas including EW, MW, LW, SEA and AVA.  I was going to recommend perks for some, etc.  I never finished it but here's how far I got on the EW stuff.  I've also got most of MW done.

I've included as much info as I could readily find on Wikipedia and was planning on supplementing and verifying through other sources.  I've also included as much info as I could on the main guns for each vehicle.

Who knows, maybe one day I'll finish this:

Valentine
Great Britan 1939-1945
Production:  7,300-8,275
Armor: 8-65mm
Range:  90 mi.
Speed:  15 mph (24 km/h)
Armament: QF 2-pounder + 7.92mm machine gun

QF 2-pounder:
Caliber: 40mm
Elevation:  -13 to +15 degrees
ROF:  22 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 26 ft/sec
Effective range:  1000 yards

Proposed variant:  Valentine II
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

The most numerous British manufactured tank of World War II, the Tank, Infantry, Mk III, Valentine was known mainly for its low cost and high reliability.  Although criticized for its speed and its weak gun, the Valentine was liked due to its small size, reliability and generally good armour protection.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/IWM-KID-652-valentine-mkII.jpg

Panzer III
Germany 1939-1943
Production:  2,390-5,774
Armor: 5-70mm
Range:  155 km.
Speed:  19-40 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: 1× 5 cm KwK 38 L/42 + 2x 7.92mm machine guns

5 cm KwK 38 L/42:
Caliber: 50mm
Elevation: -8 to +27 degrees
ROF: 13 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 550-1,130 m/s
Effective range:
Maximum range:

Proposed variant:  Panzer III Ausf F
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

The Panzer III was used in the campaigns against Poland, France, the Soviet Union and in North Africa. Some were still in use in Normandy and Arnhem in 1944.  By the time of the German invasion of the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa), the Panzer III was numerically the most important German tank. By this time the majority of the available tanks (including re-armed Ausf E and F, plus new Ausf G and H models) had the 50 mm L/42 cannon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/PanzerIII.jpg

Crusader
Great Britan 1940-1943
Production:  5,300
Armor: 32mm
Range:  322 km.
Speed:  24-42 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: QF 2-pounder (65 rounds) + 7.92mm machine gun (5,000 rounds)

QF 2-pounder:
Caliber: 40mm
Elevation:  -13 to +15 degrees
ROF:  22 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 26 ft/sec
Effective range:  1000 yards

Proposed variant:  Crusader II
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

One of the primary cruiser tanks of the United Kingdom during World War II, the Tank, Cruiser, Mk VI Crusader (A15) was perhaps the most important British tank of the North African Campaign.  Although the Crusader was faster than any tanks it opposed, its potential was limited by a relatively light 2-pounder gun, thin armour and mechanical problems. A particular tactical limitation was the lack of an High Explosive (HE) shell for the main armament - these existed but were never supplied.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/IWM-MH-9292-Crusader.jpg

Crusader
Great Britan 1940-1943
Production: 
Armor: 32mm
Range:  322 km.
Speed:  24-42 km/h (off-road/road)
Armament: Bofors 40mm AA Gun with an autoloader and powered mounting in an open topped turret. 

Bofors 40mm AA Gun:
Caliber: 40mm
Elevation: 
ROF:  120 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 881 m/s
Effective range:  12,500 ft
Maximum Range:  23,600 ft

Proposed variant:  Crusader III AA MkI
Arenas:  All
Perks:  Yes.  Light (5-25)

The Bofors 40 mm gun is a famous anti-aircraft auto-cannon designed by the Swedish firm of Bofors. It was one of the most popular medium-weight anti-aircraft systems during World War II, used by most of the western Allies as well as various other forces. It is often referred to simply as the Bofors gun.  The gun fired a 900 g (2 lb) high explosive 40 × 311R (rimmed) shell.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/IWM-H-28356-Crusader-AA-19430325.jpg

T-34
USSR 1940-1944
Production:  34,780
Armor: 52mm (2 in.)
Range:  400km (250mi.)
Speed:  53 km/h (33 mph)
Armament: 76.2mm (3 in.) (77 rounds) + 2x7.62mm machine guns

F-34 76.2mm:
Caliber: 76.2mm (3 in.) + 2x7.62mm machine guns
Elevation: 
ROF: 
Muzzle velocity: ~650 m/sec
Effective range: 

Proposed variant:  T-34/76B (Developed)
Arenas:  All
Perks:  Perked in EW.  Medium (30-50).

"We had nothing comparable." —Friedrich von Mellenthin (1956)

The T-34 is often used as a symbol for the effectiveness of the Soviet counterattack against the Germans. The appearance of the T-34 in the summer of 1941 was a psychological shock to German soldiers, who had been prepared to face an inferior Soviet enemy.  The T-34 dominated German tanks through its ability to move over deep mud or snow without bogging down. German tanks simply could not move over the same terrain the T-34 could handle.

In 1941 the thick, sloped armour of the T-34 could defeat all German anti-armour weapons at normal combat ranges except the towed 88 mm Flak guns. By mid-1942 the T-34 was vulnerable to improved German weapons and remained so throughout the war, but its armour protection was equal to or superior to comparable tanks such as the US M4 Sherman or German Pzkw-IV.

In terms of firepower, the T-34's 76 mm gun with anti-tank ammunition could penetrate any 1941 German tank with ease. This gun also fired an adequate high explosive round. In 1943, the 76 mm could not penetrate the Panther's amour and was out-ranged by the Panther's long 75 mm and the Tiger's 88 mm.

In terms of mobility, the T-34's wide track, good suspension and large engine gave it unparalleled cross-country performance. First-generation German tanks could not begin to keep up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Soviet_Tank_T-34.jpg

M3 Stuart
USA 1941-1942
Production:  13,859
Armor: 13-51mm
Range:  120km (74mi.)
Speed:  30-58 km/h (18-36 mph off road/on road)
Armament: 37mm M6 in M44 mount + 3x 30.06 machine guns

37mm M6:
Caliber: 37mm
Elevation: -10 to +15 degrees
ROF: 25 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 884 m/sec
Effective range: 
Maximum range: 6.9 km

Proposed variant:  Stuart I
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

The Light Tank M3 was an American light tank of World War II in use with British and Commonwealth forces prior to the entry of the USA into the European theatre.  The British Army was the first to use the Light Tank M3 as the "General Stuart" in combat. In November 1941, some 170 Stuarts took part in Operation Crusader. The results were mostly disappointing. Although the high losses suffered by Stuart-equipped units during the operation had more to do with better tactics and training of the Afrika Korps than with any superiority of German vehicles in the North African campaign, the operation revealed that the M3 lagged behind enemy tanks. Mentioned in the British complaints were the 37 mm M5 gun - too weak by the standards of 1941 - and poor internal layout. The two-man turret crew was a significant weakness, and some British units tried to fight with three-man turret crews. On the positive side, crews liked its quickness and mechanical reliability, hence its unofficial nickname of "Honey".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/M3-Stuart-Fort-Knox-1.jpg

T85 
USA
Production:  1941-1942
Armor: 13-51mm
Range:  120km (74mi.)
Speed:  30-58 km/h (18-36 mph off road/on road)
Armament: Quad Oerlikon 20mm cannons

Oerlikon 20mm:
Caliber: 20mm
Elevation:
ROF: 450 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 820 m/sec
Effective range: 
Maximum range: 2 km

Proposed variant:  T85
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

Anti-aircraft Multiple Gun Motor Carriage on the M5A1 chassis.

T-60
USSR 1941-1942
Production:  6,292
Armor: 7-20mm
Range:  450km
Speed:  44 km/h
Armament: 20mm TNSh Cannon + 7.62mm machine gun

20mm TNSh:
Caliber: 20mm
Elevation:
ROF: 700-800 rounds/min.
Muzzle velocity: 750-790 m/sec
Effective range: 
Maximum range:

Proposed variant: 
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

The T-60 was a scout tank.  Although at first intended to carry a 12.7 mm machine gun like the T-40, the armament was later upgraded to the 20 mm TNSh cannon, a tank version of the ShVAK.  This weapon had the same armour-piercing capability as the German 37 mm due to its high muzzle velocity (15 mm of perpendicular armour at 500 m range).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/T60_parola_1.jpg

Jeep

USA 1941-1945
Production:  647,925
Armor:
Range: 
Speed: 
Armament:

Proposed variant:  Willys MB/Ford GPW (Developed)
Arenas:  All
Perks:  None

The Jeep was born in an age of global strife. Bred for battle, it became the four-wheel version of the Swiss Army knife, able to do almost anything. To the soldiers who fought in World War II--friend and foe alike--it became a legend.

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Re: EW Tanks
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 01:04:38 AM »
Nice work, BaldEagl, and I'd encourage you to create wiki pages on these.... the wiki is not just for aircraft/vehicles that are already in AH.

To clarify - we already have the T-34, the Jeep and the M-3 in EW... are these different variants you're proposing?  If so, it would be good to explain the differences with the models we already have.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 01:24:25 AM »
that last remark killed this thread

No it didn't Aces High ISNT about only Late War. It isn't called Late War high, it's just called Aces High.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 07:59:42 AM »
No it didn't Aces High ISNT about only Late War. It isn't called Late War high, it's just called Aces High.

In a way, I can relate. I find the challenge of fighting in something less than uber more rewarding than the top-end "easy mode" monsters. That doesn't mean I'm any good at it. :D
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Re: EW Tanks
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 09:05:39 AM »
To clarify - we already have the T-34, the Jeep and the M-3 in EW... are these different variants you're proposing?  If so, it would be good to explain the differences with the models we already have.

No, they are the ones included.  I'd never advocate taking something out of the game that we already have, although, based on limited production I was going to suggest later (in the LW part of this) that both the Osti and Wirble be perked lightly as there would be other Mobile AA options that were more common.

I was just trying to paint a complete picture.
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Re: EW Tanks
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 09:18:10 AM »
AHII isn't just about "t3h l33t LW r1d3s"


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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 09:47:10 AM »
No, they are the ones included.  I'd never advocate taking something out of the game that we already have, although, based on limited production I was going to suggest later (in the LW part of this) that both the Osti and Wirble be perked lightly as there would be other Mobile AA options that were more common.

I was just trying to paint a complete picture.

OK, great.  Other vehicles we already have in EW are LVT(A)2, LVT(A)4, M-8, M-16, and the SdKfz 251.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 03:00:09 PM »
Yes it is.

No actually it isn't. I dont think you've been here long enough to really understand. I only recall seeing you about 2 or 3 months ago.

People go to LW to fly the easy uber rides, which as-always proves nothing. Go to EW and learn to fight in a P-40, MW and learn the 47-D11, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6

Late War doesnt prove anything unless you can fly the non-uber stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 10:21:27 PM »
Bald Eagle that is a great list, excellent work.  A few additions might be some french tanks like the S35 and Char B.  Imagine the May '40 scenarios that could play out. :)
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 07:55:40 PM »
No actually it isn't. I dont think you've been here long enough to really understand. I only recall seeing you about 2 or 3 months ago.

People go to LW to fly the easy uber rides, which as-always proves nothing. Go to EW and learn to fight in a P-40, MW and learn the 47-D11, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6

Late War doesnt prove anything unless you can fly the non-uber stuff.

LOL!  You haven't been here long enough yourself to comment about anyone "not being here long enough".  Just because someone flies a late war plane doesn't mean they aren't any good or can't fly anything else.  Once you've been here awhile yourself, you'll figure it out. 

Your last sentence is the biggest clue that you have no clue yourself sonny boy.


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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 07:59:00 PM »
LOL!  You haven't been here long enough yourself to comment about anyone "not being here long enough".  Just because someone flies a late war plane doesn't mean they aren't any good or can't fly anything else.  Once you've been here awhile yourself, you'll figure it out. 

Your last sentence is the biggest clue that you have no clue yourself sonny boy.


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I got enough.  :D

I love Early War and Mid War, but almost 2 years isn't long enough though, you definately got me there.  :aok
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 02:24:28 AM »
No actually it isn't. I don't think you've been here long enough to really understand. I only recall seeing you about 2 or 3 months ago.

People go to LW to fly the easy uber rides, which as-always proves nothing. Go to EW and learn to fight in a P-40, MW and learn the 47-D11, 109F4, 109G2, 109G6

Late War doesnt prove anything unless you can fly the non-uber stuff.



Well if ya don't know you can fly EW planes in LW
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 08:04:48 AM »


Well if ya don't know you can fly EW planes in LW
yeah



Yea, but when I fly my  P-40E into a horde of enemy planes, they usually go for me first. Because they make the same judgement that I usually make "Oh, look a P-40E, my F4U can easily out turn him and out run him, this is gonna be an easy fight"  :noid
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Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes