Rook, Nit or Bish?? who has the close ties?

[yanksfan]

if you fly on only one side all the time your missing out on two thirds of the people you could get to know. There are a number of guys I hate getting shot down by, and I used to really hate them. Now that I've flown with most of them from switching sides, most are nice guys, and fun to fly with. At least now they apologize after they shoot me down   

Wise words from a wise man, I took Fugitives advice little over a year ago, i have met so many great people and learned so much about the game, i have plenty of friends on all sides, never hard to find someone to wing with.

knits, Rooks and Bish alot of really cool folks out there, you really are cheating yourself by sticking to one side.

But it did take a while to get used to that smell around Bish bases, What the heck is that?

Don

[yanksfan]

I think it would be fairer to say that the most visible <insert your chess piece here> players may fit the profile Zazen is talking to, but as a dedicated country hopper, I just don't see the majority of players being any different.  Good, bad and indifferent on all sides from my experience.

I'd also suggest that if you could nail down who all the country hoppers are, looking for the largest darbar whily flying for the low numbers country, you could fill another country all together

This I agree with, maybe Zazen's discription is closer to those that may hop but prefer to fly for one country rather then those of us who have to look to see what country were on.

[yanksfan]

I did some rough census polling a few months ago, although unscientific, I roughly calculated only about 20% of the active AH population switches sides. About half of those that do switch are part of a squadron that traditionally only changes sides at the beginning of each camp on a rotation basis. So, only 10% of the player base (+-5%) switch countries during a campaign.

The original poster was speaking specifically of people who profess loyalty to one team or another. I know my squadron tend to go where they perceive the best fights are. But, the vast majority do not, they remain on one team come hell or high water and it is those people that collectively define the "demeanor" of a country. They form the substrate from which you can add or take away "floaters", but that will not change the team's fundamental defining characteristics. Think of it as a glass of salt water...I can pour a teaspoon of fresh water into the glass, but it's still going to be saltwater, perhaps a tad more dilute, but still salt water.

I guess the other thing you can say is that in order to have an opinion, you must switch sides on a regular basis, so I guess were talking about "Country Loyal" AHers and "Side Hopping" AHers, We side hoppers would get a look at all three and Loyalists only see their own and can only speculate on the others.

I don't see that much of a difference, altho i do think that there is a higher percentage of good sticks on the Rook side, this comes from fighting aganst them.

Just my .02

Don

[Zazen13]

 for example huge, obscenely oversized NOE'S are occasionally done by every side, but certainly have become a Bish specialty over the years.

That is because it affords the greatest chance of taking a base without having to actually fight for it...It's the principle of the path of least resistance in action, effective I suppose..entertaining...not to me...

[Zazen13]

And this may be the reason for an interesting fact: For many years the Bishop's overall K/D has been the lowest for tour after tour, while the Rook's is always the highest. The difference is quite significant and very stable over the years.

In the current year, the Bishops have a total K/D of  0.91, the Knights 0.93 and the Rooks 1.19

Yes Lusche, I did an exhaustive data analysis of this several years ago. It's really quite fascinating how stable it remains even with old players leaving and new players joining. Although my data is a little more disparate than yours: Bishop K/D is 0.76; Knit 0.98 and Rook 1.21...Keep in mind over the course of a year there were well over a half a million kills/deaths so the difference between Bishop and Rook is extremely statistically significant.

Although it's harder to crunch the data since they took out the country search all of my samplings indicate it remains stable near those figures and has for years. If all countries were the same with types of players in exactly equal proportion, all 3 countries would be 1:1. This is obviously not the case, each of the three countries is quite different collectively. Although I am sure if you arbitrarily chose a few individuals with whom you interact regularly on each side you could find someone of similar persuasion on another side, this would not be analogous to saying all sides are the same.

[FALCONWING]

I have only flown bish but ill share my observations:

ROOKS:  Larger percentage of score potatos ( to use the vernacular).  Only country that will deack and field and vulch without any intent of taking a base.  When coalt planes show up they move to another undefended vulchable field.  Will not defend a base against poor odds.  Dredger AND COMPANY excluded...they seem willing to run missions and dont seem to stress out about dying.  I believe that explains the zazen observation of better k/d.  If you have more score and k/d driven squads then you will have a better country k/d. By far the most ikely to fill ch 200 with excuses and insults when they die.

Knights:  unfortunately dont seem to like to defend.  They dont seem to be organized excpet for Rox missions which i respect but often seem like overkill.  Still at least they get to be offensive some times and that is good.


Bish:  dunno about how most play as i have never been on the recieving end.  funguys to fly with and a number of squads and guys who ike to organize.  WILL up capped fields and defend...sometimes to a fault. 

[Lusche]

In my opinion every observations only made from the receiving end are very biased by nature.
Often the biggest crap told about "them" over there (=the subhuman enemy) comes from players that never have flown on that side.

A player can hardly give a rationale assement about a country he has only flown for or only fought against.

 

[Getback]

I have heard that the bish are the tightest group in AH and perhaps the most cuddly, if reports of the Bish pajama parties are to be believed.

 

The bish women don't wear pajamas. Tell the whole story. 

I flew with rooks for 4 years and never made any friends even with my own squad. I now have people I call friends in my squad and in others, like Falcon23, Dadsguns, Llogan, Warloc, Gusman, Jedi, and others. They join missions in droves and genuinely like each other. I don't know about the knits. I haven't flown much with them.

On the Rooks side, and everyone can testify to this, you find that orators and arrogance seem to dominate. Now by no means are they a majority. However they do stand out. Having said that there are Rooks I like, Dredger comes to mind.

[ROX]

That is because it affords the greatest chance of It's the principle of the path of least resistance in action, effective I suppose..entertaining...not to me...

<<<S>>> Zazen  

I appreciate your stance.  I also understand where you are coming from  

There are a few different styles that many players flock to because it's their favorite way to play.  There's no "right way" and there is no "wrong way".  If someone wants to swap sides, GREAT, it's their $15 bucks.  If you want to furball because that's fun for you, GREAT, it can be a ton of fun!  If spending 45 minutes going NOE with 4 sets of lanc and escort to their HQ to knock out the enemy's lights, GREAT!  We ALL play how makes us happy for our subscription.

EVERY country runs large NOE raids to TAKE bases.  While that not be your brand of vodka, some folks like it.  In the old days, we had 1 late war arena and large maps, less AAA, and no wirbelwinds.

Today, we have somewhat smaller maps.  The AAA is WAY more in number and WAY more lethal than back then. (Remember the complaints after that patch?)  We also have the wirbelwind to deal with now.

The strategy to TAKE bases has changed, and since the last few patches, if you do not use sound military strategy to take a base, you will NOT take it, plain & simple.

Remember:  you can knock everything down...have the town flat....and if ONE GUY....just ONE guy gets into the town (having upped before the vh was down, or in from a spawn point) and kills just ONE drunk...you base take is toast.  And that doesn't count the scads of ME262's zipping around killing your back-up goons.  It's not real life, but this is the cartoon world we have chosen.

There are folks who run NOE missions to a base just to drop the VH, the ack and simply vulch--town is all up.  I don't work that way.  I'm sure it's fun and a great way to rack up kills, but that's not my brand of vodka, and same for many of the folks who fly missions with me.  We go for the take.  If folks want to do that to vulch--then that's their choice.  I wouldn't do that, but I didn't pay their $15 bucks either.

You'd be surprised how many uppers come flying out of the barns once the NOE trips the maproom blink...they come flying out like COCKROACHES.

So unless folks are talking about people who play at 3 to 5 AM USA time, there is no "taking a base without having to actually fight for it..." "least resistance?"  in USA/Canada prime times (Noon EST to 2 AM PT) that does not exist in the Late War Arenas...the takes I wittness have uppers and spawn-ins like COCKROACHES.

The game has changed, and folks who have fun taking real estate have had to adapt and use sound and proven military tactics to do it.

I don't know about how they do theirs in rook or bishland, but there is a proven, militarilary sound, recipie to taking a base that is about 95% effective.

It's fun for us to do it.  Many, who like to furball, apprecite these raids and up with the other cockroaches to try and foil the base take.  Hey, if we're providing entertainment for their $15 bucks, well, that's cool then.

Aces High is like an all you can eat buffet.  There are folks who load up on the Italian Artichoke Hearts & Three Bean Salad, and others who would never touch it.  There are those who load up on the Buttered Whole Crawfish & Escargot and others who turn up their noses at it.  We all have different tastes.  This game is no different.

Would you walk up to someone at a fancy buffet and say what they put on their plate was wrong?  I wouldn't, that would be extremely rude.  It was their $15 bucks.

It's all about having fun!

I hope that each and every AH'er plays how THEY want to play...how it makes THEM happy.

It's your right to furball, be a score-potato, NOE takes, HQ killers, rear eschelon base stealers, fly one plane exclusively, always up in uber-rides, etc.  You paid to do that, right?

I hope everyone one the boards and in the games enjoys their subscription!

THANK YOU HiTech & staff for providing a way for us cartoon cyber pilots to pretend we were in the cockpits & tanks back in WWII!!  And thank you for being the Burger King of sim games and letting us play "have it your way".

It's worth every penny!




ROX

[Getback]

Zazen I only agree with you about 50% in your posting.

For instance we did a mission for 13, a knights field, and were initially repelled but then we came back and took it.

A month ago we were trying to get 7 in a pacific map, We were repelled time and time again. I called to Dadsguns it's time for an in-your-face mission. That's what we call them when we go head to head. We upped bombers and took out everything. The rooks flew the usual tempest and 262s to stop us. None of it worked and eventually we took the base. The rooks gave up fast and we swept the arena easily after that.

So no country gives up more than any other country and everyone looks for some advantage. Alt is not the only advantage btw.

I have seen countless times where there would be a full darbar of rooks over a base and only one guy deacking so the others could come down from their 25k perch to pick with out any risk of getting his feelings hurt.

Yeah we do a lot of noe missions. Why not they can be very effective. Ask Dredger, he runs those very well.

I do believe that Rooks have the best fighter pilots. That is hard to dispute. We have the best mission planners and some of the most stubborn defenders like Smokey23's squad. (Sorry Smokey couldn't remember the squad's name right now). I will tell you I have more fun in a day with these guys than I ever had in the 4 years as a rook.

To put it as someone else said. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your $15. I fly the way it is fun for me. Further I don't begrudge the way any country flies. There are always a counter measures.

[Getback]

Hmmm....not a single 38 mentioned.  The 12 will be discussing this transgression.....

Not the 12! Noooooooooooo!   

[Motherland]

The only real thing I notice is that Bishops seem to have more suicide horde tards and the Rooks seem to have more altitude monkeys. Other than that it's all the same.

[BaldEagl]

...and the Rooks seem to have more altitude monkeys.

Which can easily explain the Rooks higher K/D rate.  If you fly with every advantage it's easier to attain a high K/D.

I was flying against Rooks the other night.  I flew to 15K and they were higher.  The next sortie I was at 17K and they were higher.  The next sortie I was at 20K and they were still higher.  Finally I upped a Spit XIV and flew to 23K to start co-alt.  I've never had to do that against Knights as a matter of course.

[falcon23]

<<<S>>> Zazen  

I appreciate your stance.  I also understand where you are coming from  

There are a few different styles that many players flock to because it's their favorite way to play.  There's no "right way" and there is no "wrong way".  If someone wants to swap sides, GREAT, it's their $15 bucks.  If you want to furball because that's fun for you, GREAT, it can be a ton of fun!  If spending 45 minutes going NOE with 4 sets of lanc and escort to their HQ to knock out the enemy's lights, GREAT!  We ALL play how makes us happy for our subscription.

EVERY country runs large NOE raids to TAKE bases.  While that not be your brand of vodka, some folks like it.  In the old days, we had 1 late war arena and large maps, less AAA, and no wirbelwinds.

Today, we have somewhat smaller maps.  The AAA is WAY more in number and WAY more lethal than back then. (Remember the complaints after that patch?)  We also have the wirbelwind to deal with now.

The strategy to TAKE bases has changed, and since the last few patches, if you do not use sound military strategy to take a base, you will NOT take it, plain & simple.

Remember:  you can knock everything down...have the town flat....and if ONE GUY....just ONE guy gets into the town (having upped before the vh was down, or in from a spawn point) and kills just ONE drunk...you base take is toast.  And that doesn't count the scads of ME262's zipping around killing your back-up goons.  It's not real life, but this is the cartoon world we have chosen.

There are folks who run NOE missions to a base just to drop the VH, the ack and simply vulch--town is all up.  I don't work that way.  I'm sure it's fun and a great way to rack up kills, but that's not my brand of vodka, and same for many of the folks who fly missions with me.  We go for the take.  If folks want to do that to vulch--then that's their choice.  I wouldn't do that, but I didn't pay their $15 bucks either.

You'd be surprised how many uppers come flying out of the barns once the NOE trips the maproom blink...they come flying out like COCKROACHES.

So unless folks are talking about people who play at 3 to 5 AM USA time, there is no "taking a base without having to actually fight for it..." "least resistance?"  in USA/Canada prime times (Noon EST to 2 AM PT) that does not exist in the Late War Arenas...the takes I wittness have uppers and spawn-ins like COCKROACHES.

The game has changed, and folks who have fun taking real estate have had to adapt and use sound and proven military tactics to do it.

I don't know about how they do theirs in rook or bishland, but there is a proven, militarilary sound, recipie to taking a base that is about 95% effective.

It's fun for us to do it.  Many, who like to furball, apprecite these raids and up with the other cockroaches to try and foil the base take.  Hey, if we're providing entertainment for their $15 bucks, well, that's cool then.

Aces High is like an all you can eat buffet.  There are folks who load up on the Italian Artichoke Hearts & Three Bean Salad, and others who would never touch it.  There are those who load up on the Buttered Whole Crawfish & Escargot and others who turn up their noses at it.  We all have different tastes.  This game is no different.

Would you walk up to someone at a fancy buffet and say what they put on their plate was wrong?  I wouldn't, that would be extremely rude.  It was their $15 bucks.

It's all about having fun!

I hope that each and every AH'er plays how THEY want to play...how it makes THEM happy.

It's your right to furball, be a score-potato, NOE takes, HQ killers, rear eschelon base stealers, fly one plane exclusively, always up in uber-rides, etc.  You paid to do that, right?

I hope everyone one the boards and in the games enjoys their subscription!

THANK YOU HiTech & staff for providing a way for us cartoon cyber pilots to pretend we were in the cockpits & tanks back in WWII!!  And thank you for being the Burger King of sim games and letting us play "have it your way".

It's worth every penny!




ROX

 RIght on ROX,and a big salute to ya hope everything is well with ya..


 I cant really add much to what rox has said other than to reinterate that it is difficult to take bases even with NOE missions..Their is a "recipe" to it,but its like the amount of uppers changes the heat so one still has to adjust the recipe sometimes..

 I personally dont want to spend 2-4 hours that I spend playing AH "furballing"..I want to take bases,by ANY MEANS..You not watching your map?? then you may lose a base to any number of missions that could be up at any one time.In the limited amount of time I have to be in-game,I want to take as much as possible from the opposing team..

  I have been experimenting with a different way of running missions,and am working the bugs out of it,but that is what is fun for me and the ones who join the missions..Trying something new..Like running a 190a8 missions and taking down a CV.You bet it is fun,and to see if it can be done in a timely manner..WHY??? because some people,will go to bases and kill ords so that bombers cant kill cv's off-shore..SO,one needs to learn to try different tactics,run them,test them,and also,it helps new people who can barely fly spits,possibly learn a new plane and see what it is capable of IN-GAME....
                                                  Falcon23

 And to everyone who has fun playing the game your way          

[Adonai]

Which can easily explain the Rooks higher K/D rate.  If you fly with every advantage it's easier to attain a high K/D.

I was flying against Rooks the other night.  I flew to 15K and they were higher.  The next sortie I was at 17K and they were higher.  The next sortie I was at 20K and they were still higher.  Finally I upped a Spit XIV and flew to 23K to start co-alt.  I've never had to do that against Knights as a matter of course.

Well honestly this just shows you have never been a rook, It goes by which country has an offense. I have many times seen bishops and knights above 15k and everyone whines rooks are higher. Yes I have been a bishop and was on the knights for an entire tour, honestly rooks don't fly any higher, but when your on the defense all the time taking off from a capped base then yes you can say "they only come in at 25k".
Now honestly what alt is the standard alt to fly at? Your right there isn't one.