G-LOC Needs to be Changed

[Roadkill]

I've been flying your product lately, online and off, and noticed that your model had G-induced loss of conciousness at 4.5 Gs. This number is *extremely* low and should be bumped up considerabley.

I have flow aerobatics and can tell you from personaly experience that at 5.0 Gs, rapid onset (square loop) and sustained, I had no tendancy to gray, and certainly no tendancy to tunnel, let alone black out completely, as you currently model. This is not to mean I wasn't "squeezing" fairly hard, I was. It's certainly required! Above this value, for my own personal G limit, it's a different story, but building up a G-tolerance is certainly a well know phenomenon. The Blue Angles do not wear G-suits during their performances, and I believe they get up into the high 6G range at times, and maybe even hitting 7Gs momentarily (I'm not sure about this.)

What you've modeled here appears to be fighter pilot who had never pulled any Gs in his life (not very likely), and never builds up G tolerance. You should at least give your players the benifit of the doubt and assume they are experienced, and have a least a "nominal" G tolerance, at least to 5.5 before the tunnel and blackout begin.

As it stands, this G-LOC modeling of yours detracts tremendously from the product, as it is not very close to reality.

[Swoop]

Someone'll suggest a build up of G-LOC tolerance proportional to sortie time flown next......

[funked]

Actually, I kind of like it as it is.  

[MiG Eater]

Having flown here for more than a half a year with the current grayout/blackout settings, it doesn't pose much of a problem after being weened from the brand A and W blackout models.  G-loc (loss of consciousness)hardly ever occurs in Aces High.  We have a gradual fade to grey before tunnel vision sets in. Its all very controllable and the instant you ease off on the stick, vision returns.  I hardly ever black out completely in AH.  Even when I do, the airplane is still under my control (unlike Brand A's hard limit at 6 G's where you lose all control in the blackout - THATs not realistic)  Pulling enough G to black out is a serious drain on the airplane's energy state.  As more experience is gained, most find that saving E becomes far more beneficial that cranking into a blackout inducing turn or pullout.  

Having  the onset of greyout the same for everyone keeps a level playing field for all. People new to Aces High wouldn't stand a chance against someone with super G tolerance

Roadkill wrote:
 

What you've modeled here appears to be fighter pilot who had never pulled any Gs in his life

True, but how many people here are real fighter pilots?  It seems to be modeled after the average flight sim junky's actual G tolerance    

MiG

[Toad]

From Jimmy Doolittle's Doctoral Thesis, 1924, NACA "Report No. 203-Accelerations In Flight:"

"The maximum acceleration which a pilot can withstand depends upon the length of time the acceleration is continued. It is shown that the pilot experiences no difficulty under instantaneous accelerations as high as 7.8 g, but that under accelerations in excess of 4.5 g, continued for several seconds, the pilot quickly loses his faculties. While this is disconcerting to the pilot, it is not necessarily dangerous for one in good physical condition unless continued for a period of 10 to 12 seconds." From _I Could Never Be So Lucky Again_, ISBN 0-553-29725-2, Doolittle's autobiography.  

While written long before fast pants and really even before the "grunt" maneuver was well understood and widely used, it does give an insight back to the early days of aviation.

Actually, I was just trying to show Funked that some of us stick monkeys can read.

 

[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 03-10-2000).]

[funked]

Wow Toad that "Hooked On Phonics" package I sent you really paid off!  

Here's how I think of it:  A macho pilot might be able to do 9 gees peak.  But he can't do that all day.  And certainly he can't do it all day while swiveling his head freely like we do and exerting full control force like we do.  Stick forces in most WW2 fighters were way beyond what you have in a modern fighter.  I think 4.5 gees is not unreasonable considering the other factors.

[Toad]

Yeah, thanks Funked! That book was put to good use by my Labrador puppy!

He ate it and wouldn't ya know it after that he passed the test for MIT and got an engineering scholarship!!!

Unfortunately, they sent him home pretty quick. Seems every time it rained he would come inside. They told me he just didn't have the makings of an engineer!

 

[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 03-11-2000).]