OBJ Score Adjustment

[SmokinLoon]

.. and maybe some ENY as well.   

Scrolling down the list of aircraft available to us pilots, there seems to be an aweful lot of "10" scores under the OBJ (Object, non-manned) column.  One can only assert that that score is based on two things: First, the ease of use when targeting said objects (buildings, ack, radar, ords, fuel, barracks, etc), or secondly a "bonus" was given due to the specified air to ground role that particular aircraft had in WWII.

I believe that some planes should get an adjustment based on what they did in WWII.  For instance, the Typhoon was for the most part restricted to the air to ground role in WWII.  That was a role it excelled at.  However, in AHII it has a OBJ score of 10.  It receives no more of a score benefit in taking out an object than a Spit Mk5 does, and the Mk5 had absolutely no design feature to attack ground target with, it was pure fighter yet it has the same OBJ score as the Typhoon.  Raising the Typhoon OBJ score to 15 would seem appropriate.  Ditto for the F4U-1D, F6F5, Fw190F8, Hurricane IID, P47, and some other air to ground aircraft as well.  The IL-2 seems to be the only attack plane correctly scored, IMO (25 OBJ).  One of the biggest atrocities in this game is the Mossi FB Mk6 for multiple reasons.  One can argue time and time again on other issues like the speed, etc, but the role it was used in most and excelled at was a tactical/surgical strike and it too only has a OBJ score of 10.  Bump that up as well, maybe to 20 even?  Point being, give credit where credit is due to the aircraft that already earned it. 

Ultimately, the goal of this thread was to bring light to some of the planes that may be getting robbed of some scoring points when air to ground attacks was the primary misison in WWII, and in no way shape or form do these planes dominate the game in an attack role.  The BF110-G2 quite possibly could use a reduction down to 5 OBJ. 

Make it worth while to take the ground pounders when ground pounding (something other than a Bf110-G2). 

[Ghastly]

I've read through your wish a couple of times, and on the surface, it seems to make some sense - except that I don't know how much of an encouragement getting more or fewer bomber perks for the same attack run is going to be (which, as I understand things, is all the OBJ value is used to determine, correct me if I'm wrong), given that there isn't a heck of a lot to spend bomber perks on at this point.

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[Lusche]

I'm not objecting that thoughts, but I'm pretty sure almost no one actually bothers about OBJ value when selecting a plane.
I would even bet that most AH players don't even know what it is at all

[SmokinLoon]

I'm not objecting that thoughts, but I'm pretty sure almost no one actually bothers about OBJ value when selecting a plane.
I would even bet that most AH players don't even know what it is at all

Understood.  However, those of us who take a plane specified for a ground attack role and use it in a ground attack should fair better scoring however minute it be vs someone who A: takes the "best" plane possible (Bf110-G2) or B: takes a a plane not designed or specifically used for a ground attack role (pick one).  If the plane was DESIGNED for it and it doesnt dominate the game... then why group them all together?  Kind of a easy way out, if ya ask me.   

I refuse to take a Bf110-G2 unless I have to in a squad mission (ditto for the Spit16, Nik, and La7. Pony is still a challenge to fly, IMO, si I will fly that on occasion).  I usually take the Mossi when taking out dar, ords, fuel, etc, and do my best to get others to use them vs buildings but to no avail.... "the Bf110 is the best" and the easiest to use.  Why does the BF110-G2 and Mossi (or any other attack plane) have the same OBJ score???  They shouldnt.  The OBJ score should vary much more, IMO.     

[ian5440]

I'm not objecting that thoughts, but I'm pretty sure almost no one actually bothers about OBJ value when selecting a plane.
I would even bet that most AH players don't even know what it is at all

very true, i have been playing for about 2 years,with some off time inbetween, and i have seen this OBJ thing that has its own column and i have very little idea what it is or does, i definantly dont make it a factor when deciding a plane 

which i guess can be bad??

[Motherland]

A: takes the "best" plane possible (Bf110-G2) or B: takes a a plane not designed or specifically used for a ground attack role (pick one)

The Bf110G fits into both categories... it was an interceptor.

[SmokinLoon]

very true, i have been playing for about 2 years,with some off time inbetween, and i have seen this OBJ thing that has its own column and i have very little idea what it is or does, i definantly dont make it a factor when deciding a plane 

which i guess can be bad??

No, not bad at all.  But, shouldnt someone who is taking a plane meant for dive bombing/attacking earn more points vs a plane that maybe had dive bombing or attacking as a secondary role (or improvised role)?  For those who dont pay attention to it, it doesnt matter.  However, those of us who do use the less than "best" and understand the differences between the roles certain planes had in WWII (realism is a major factor in AH2, yes?), then a upped OBJ score should be feasible.

Also, the ENY and OBJ modifiers were one of the first things I asked about when joining these forums.    

[ian5440]

i get it,
not a bad idea

[SmokinLoon]

The Bf110G fits into both categories... it was an interceptor.

It isnt used as an interceptor here in AHII due to the multitudes of single engine fighters available to intercept.    It is irrevelant to the case I am trying to make.  However, it is used overwhelmingly to take down buildings due to its firepowuh.  The balancing effect HTC is supposedly using isnt working.  

[Ghastly]

I'm not objecting that thoughts, but I'm pretty sure almost no one actually bothers about OBJ value when selecting a plane.
I would even bet that most AH players don't even know what it is at all

And to quote Lusche, I don't think this change would amount to a change in balancing either.  I had to go look it up to sort out what it does to be able to respond to your post, but even if you do get things changed around and somehow educate the masses as to why it might matter, the fact that bomber perks are worth about about as much as a confederate dollar in May 1865 will eliminate any practical impact.

IMO, of course.

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[SmokinLoon]

And to quote Lusche, I don't think this change would amount to a change in balancing either.  I had to go look it up to sort out what it does to be able to respond to your post, but even if you do get things changed around and somehow educate the masses as to why it might matter, the fact that bomber perks are worth about about as much as a confederate dollar in May 1865 will eliminate any practical impact.

IMO, of course.

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I agree that the casual player will still want to take the Typhoon or Bf110G-2 and hit the ground target vs taking a Mossi even if the scores are changed to reflect realism in their WWII flight sim and/or use and abuse in the game.  But again... if realism is one of the top priorities then keeping the OBJ scores the same for so many is kinda contrary to the point, eh? 

Note: the idea about changing the OBJ isnt about the Mossi, I am simply using the Mossi as an example because it scores OBJ the same as a BF110G-2 and is used far less and is far more challenging to use than the Bf110G-2.  Not balanced in any sense.